From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B536C433F5 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2021 09:12:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S233615AbhLMJMn (ORCPT ); Mon, 13 Dec 2021 04:12:43 -0500 Received: from pb-smtp21.pobox.com ([173.228.157.53]:64677 "EHLO pb-smtp21.pobox.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S231224AbhLMJMm (ORCPT ); Mon, 13 Dec 2021 04:12:42 -0500 Received: from pb-smtp21.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp21.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FAF415AA29; Mon, 13 Dec 2021 04:12:42 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from junio@pobox.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed; d=pobox.com; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; s=sasl; bh=DVxADQ0QKXTnObHjHfwhnzyql vYApnHLYd45jbRho2s=; b=w57s+i8OxLTyqdousXF+Zq0dCbflUijuZxqBzJYID IAswnp5nfpAFv3Sz/FthH9TI0eSwiql7x/gjmZt3v8rI94V5XYSP5C4VVlBT/t8j XvhlbaX7A1UcmECI6fHeiHtylmZCUFLJD2+b3Z9Y+SPwX1BdtowI3lms5mNzQye9 Qg= Received: from pb-smtp21.sea.icgroup.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp21.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 275B515AA27; Mon, 13 Dec 2021 04:12:42 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from junio@pobox.com) Received: from pobox.com (unknown [104.133.2.91]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pb-smtp21.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 84F1D15AA26; Mon, 13 Dec 2021 04:12:38 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from junio@pobox.com) From: Junio C Hamano To: Elijah Newren Cc: =?utf-8?B?w4Z2YXIgQXJuZmrDtnLDsA==?= Bjarmason , Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget , Git Mailing List , Derrick Stolee , Eric Sunshine , Bagas Sanjaya , "Theodore Ts'o" , Matt Rogers , Johannes Schindelin Subject: Re: [RFC/PATCH] Makefile: add test-all target References: <211207.86ilw0matb.gmgdl@evledraar.gmail.com> <211209.86fsr2l8vn.gmgdl@evledraar.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2021 01:12:37 -0800 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Pobox-Relay-ID: D1706358-5BF4-11EC-B5EF-98D80D944F46-77302942!pb-smtp21.pobox.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Elijah Newren writes: > On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 10:12 AM Junio C Hamano wrot= e: >> >> =C3=86var Arnfj=C3=B6r=C3=B0 Bjarmason writes: >> >> >> So, how about doing it this way? This is based on 'master' and doe= s >> >> not cover contrib/scalar, but if we want to go this route, it shoul= d >> >> be trivial to do it on top of a merge of ab/ci-updates and js/scala= r >> >> into 'master'. Good idea? Terrible idea? Not good enough? >> > >> > With the caveat that I think the greater direction here makes no sen= se, >> > i.e. scalar didn't need its own build system etc. in the first place= , so >> > having hack-upon-hack to fix various integration issues is clearly w= orse >> > than just having it behave like everything else.... >> >> We decided to start Scalar in contrib/, as it hasn't been proven >> that Scalar is in a good enough shape to deserve to be in this tree, >> and we are giving it a chance by adding it to contrib/ first, hoping >> that it may graduate to the more official status someday [*]. > > Is that the hope? I thought the wish was for it to eventually > "disappear" rather than "graduate", as per the following bits of > Dscho's cover letter: > > """ > The Scalar project was designed to be a self-destructing vehicle...For > example, partial clone, sparse-checkout, and scheduled background > maintenance have already been upstreamed and removed from Scalar > proper...[Adding Scalar to contrib will] make it substantially easier > to experiment with moving functionality from Scalar into core Git. > """ I can go either way, but my impression from Dscho's messages has always been that there is no strong reason to switch existing scalar users to say "git clone " when their fingers and scripts are used to say "scalar ", and a very thin shell may remain in some form in the ideal world.