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From: Peter Jones <pjones@redhat.com>
To: Andrei Borzenkov <arvidjaar@gmail.com>
Cc: Matt Fleming <matt@codeblueprint.co.uk>,
	Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko <phcoder@gmail.com>,
	Colin Watson <cjwatson@debian.org>,
	The development of GRUB 2 <grub-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Bugs and tasks for 2.02[~rc1]
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2016 17:01:33 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160307220132.GI13163@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <56DDF2AA.3010504@gmail.com>

On Tue, Mar 08, 2016 at 12:29:14AM +0300, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:
> 08.03.2016 00:20, Peter Jones пишет:
> > On Mon, Mar 07, 2016 at 11:57:33PM +0300, Andrei Borzenkov wrote:
> >>
> >>> How big part of it is related to secure boot? Just
> >>> changing Linux boot protocol doesn't need FSF involvement. Accepting secure
> >>
> >> Patches currently use EFI stub to launch kernel but I think this is done
> >> simply to make code easier. We can continue to use the same load
> >> protocol as before, just add image verification.
> > 
> > No, they're doing it because that is the supported entry point for EFI
> > in Linux.  We do not want EFI machines using other entry points.  It
> > worked out terribly when we used to do this, and we don't want to start
> > again.  I've Cc'd Matt Fleming, the upstream kernel EFI maintainer,
> > because I'm sure he's going to agree with me.
> 
> So you mean that linux loader is currently broken on EFI?

None of the 3 OSes we produce ever uses it.  I don't know about what
other distros ship, but a lot of them are using the secure boot code by
default in all cases, so they're also going through the EFI stub.

My expectation is that on many systems it does work, but there are a lot
of corner cases where things are not quite right.  In those cases you'll
see problems like:

- less total memory available than expected due to e820 vs efi memory
  map issues
- the very real issue recently where grub set the type incorrectly on
  some memory map entries, resulting in NVDIMMs winding up being marked
  as normal allocatable memory.
- 64-bit kernel on 32-bit platform like Baytrail can't work
- some machines we won't get the virtual address map right and e.g. UEFI
  variables just won't work

It goes on like this.

-- 
  Peter


  reply	other threads:[~2016-03-07 22:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-03-02 15:01 Bugs and tasks for 2.02[~rc1] Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2016-03-02 22:24 ` Daniel Kiper
2016-03-09 10:49   ` Daniel Kiper
     [not found]     ` <20160309144557.GA19753@char.us.oracle.com>
2016-03-09 14:51       ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2016-03-09 20:05         ` Daniel Kiper
2016-03-04 20:06 ` Peter Jones
2016-03-05  8:38   ` Andrei Borzenkov
2016-03-07 19:00     ` Peter Jones
2016-03-07 19:57       ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2016-03-07 20:33         ` Andrei Borzenkov
2016-03-07 20:40           ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2016-03-07 20:57             ` Andrei Borzenkov
2016-03-07 21:03               ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2016-03-07 21:20               ` Peter Jones
2016-03-07 21:29                 ` Andrei Borzenkov
2016-03-07 22:01                   ` Peter Jones [this message]
2016-03-07 22:07                     ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2016-03-08  4:16                       ` Michael Chang
2016-03-08  3:40                     ` Michael Chang
2016-03-08  4:57                       ` Andrei Borzenkov
2016-03-09 15:18                         ` Matt Fleming
2016-03-09 20:15                           ` Linux loader EFI handover (was: Bugs and tasks for 2.02[~rc1]) Andrei Borzenkov
2016-03-10 14:21                             ` Matt Fleming
2016-03-11 17:46                               ` Linux loader EFI handover Andrei Borzenkov
2016-03-07 21:42                 ` Bugs and tasks for 2.02[~rc1] Matt Fleming
2016-03-11 15:51                   ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2016-03-14 15:17                     ` Matt Fleming
2016-03-15 17:38                       ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2016-03-22 17:54                         ` Peter Jones
2016-03-07 21:14             ` Peter Jones
2016-03-07 21:50               ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2016-03-07 21:10           ` Peter Jones
2016-03-11 18:01             ` Andrei Borzenkov
2016-03-07 21:03         ` Peter Jones
2016-03-07 21:08           ` Andrei Borzenkov
2016-03-07 21:26             ` Peter Jones
2016-03-07 21:08           ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2016-03-08 17:57       ` Andrei Borzenkov
2016-03-08 21:47         ` Peter Jones
2016-03-11 18:38           ` Andrei Borzenkov
2016-03-09  6:38 ` Olaf Hering
2016-03-09  7:54   ` Michael Chang
2016-03-09  8:13     ` Andrei Borzenkov
2016-03-11 16:04   ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2016-04-13  8:49     ` Olaf Hering
2016-03-13  6:30 ` Andrei Borzenkov
2016-03-22 18:48 ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2016-03-22 19:51   ` Andrei Borzenkov
     [not found]     ` <20160328145903.GF17944@char.us.oracle.com>
2016-04-12 16:44       ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2016-04-18  4:20       ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2016-04-18  4:18     ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2016-04-12 17:53 ` Bruce Dubbs
2016-04-18  4:20   ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2016-03-03 14:47 Juergen Gross
2016-03-09 10:52 ` Daniel Kiper
2016-03-11 15:47   ` Vladimir 'phcoder' Serbinenko
2016-03-11 15:57     ` Juergen Gross

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