From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1Otx6A-0004YG-4v for mharc-grub-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 02:28:34 -0400 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=41971 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Otx67-0004X5-40 for grub-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 02:28:32 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Otx65-0006Mw-On for grub-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 02:28:31 -0400 Received: from mail-wy0-f169.google.com ([74.125.82.169]:63583) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Otx65-0006Ms-Hz for grub-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 02:28:29 -0400 Received: by wyb36 with SMTP id 36so2821274wyb.0 for ; Thu, 09 Sep 2010 23:28:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=STrfFfz2MZj1YdW9WSF1G56oeUiiHvC39JHuP3FB6AY=; b=EatGWIe9vxp5DNaflP1ppnNlVLnfKSiXBZmGkkIJBTmPAu247bL5lmK1X6TlgZJmrr /FQpUEW3rvO5i416rePP4IxbKjAszRntb0D8iqgUTe71pYtKmTc4Iwl3voPSHsmm3/ez u3+n8cFbQhxqAB4jmXlBOPlBhdULZ+S4VZcQE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=BTCBxScdp2hqAri1CuU3Lg1Q0XUPt9VdMttixZb+LZCw6SCEArxQwQnMHWLQi7MyZg iVLtpOpsKJNRXhq4WMV4lF8z1fFebSvJXfCpqkVTGgLamwI4RfOwK6QjqisAFMFBRr3K 30Ax6zztv6XnReqxtdrljtpQovTl9pSi3Dt/8= Received: by 10.216.20.18 with SMTP id o18mr373137weo.31.1284100108768; Thu, 09 Sep 2010 23:28:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from debian.yeeloong.phnet (vig38-2-82-225-223-122.fbx.proxad.net [82.225.223.122]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r18sm1430553weo.0.2010.09.09.23.28.26 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 09 Sep 2010 23:28:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4C89D001.5040108@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 08:28:17 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?VmxhZGltaXIgJ8+GLWNvZGVyL3BoY29kZXInIFNlcmJpbmVua28=?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux mips64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.11) Gecko/20100805 Icedove/3.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: grub-devel@gnu.org References: <20100908194631.2a34ef7d@gmail.com> <239CEBDEE83EB949A48B6DB812AA19F60162E317@ex2.zuv.uni-muenchen.de> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) Subject: Re: future of grub commands setup and install ? X-BeenThere: grub-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: The development of GNU GRUB List-Id: The development of GNU GRUB List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 06:28:32 -0000 On 09/09/10 14:14, Robert Millan wrote: > 2010/9/9, Treutwein Bernhard: > >> according to the wiki the commands install& setup are "unecessary". >> >> I do consider setup (which itself uses install) as "desirable" at least. >> > GRUB lacks filesystem write support (intentionally). Therefore, installing > GRUB from GRUB is not possible. Given that setup command can only > perform part of this, it is unrealistic to pretend setup command is useful. > This is why it was removed. > > OTOH it should be realistic to port GRUB to any OS having GCC and decent binutils, I hope Bluebottle is included (I don't have a lot of experience with it even though it';s developped at my university). Also it would be a good idea to distribute a free kernel (e.g. linux-libre) with a small initramfs with busybox, few useless tools and GRUB. This would be esily loadable from GRUB regardless of media and will be able to perform all GRUB-related tasks except compiling. -- Regards Vladimir 'φ-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko