From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1P0eLt-0005St-BM for mharc-grub-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Sep 2010 13:52:29 -0400 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=54369 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1P0eLr-0005Ru-Nb for grub-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Sep 2010 13:52:28 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P0eLq-0007Ps-NB for grub-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Sep 2010 13:52:27 -0400 Received: from exhub016-2.exch016.msoutlookonline.net ([207.5.72.164]:25261) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P0eLq-0007Ph-Hw for grub-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Sep 2010 13:52:26 -0400 Received: from [10.1.1.235] (72.242.190.170) by smtpx16.msoutlookonline.net (207.5.72.190) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 8.2.234.1; Tue, 28 Sep 2010 10:52:24 -0700 Message-ID: <4CA22B55.4040307@cfl.rr.com> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 13:52:21 -0400 From: Phillip Susi User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100915 Thunderbird/3.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Colin Watson References: <20100923221923.GA21862@riva.ucam.org> <20100924002753.GE8579@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <197110.28172.qm@web113213.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100928080423.GN21862@riva.ucam.org> <4CA20C5D.1080302@cfl.rr.com> <20100928161811.GU21862@riva.ucam.org> In-Reply-To: <20100928161811.GU21862@riva.ucam.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Windows 2000 SP4, XP SP1+ Cc: The development of GNU GRUB Subject: Re: Guidance on conflicts between GNU GRUB and proprietary software X-BeenThere: grub-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: The development of GNU GRUB List-Id: The development of GNU GRUB List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 17:52:28 -0000 On 9/28/2010 12:18 PM, Colin Watson wrote: > This is not true. GRUB has an ata module which can be built into > core.img if necessary to read data from parts of the disk the BIOS can't > read. It's not really solid enough to use by default, but people do > occasionally report success with it. But when it isn't done by default, or automatically when needed, then you aren't any better off putting the core in the embed area by default. If they are smart enough to build a custom core with the ata driver, surely they can also put the core in the embed area as well. To put that another way, just because an ata core needs to be in the embed area to get around broken bios, does not mean that a biosdisk core does.