From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with archive (Exim 4.43) id 1P0g5c-0006jq-8I for mharc-grub-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Sep 2010 15:43:48 -0400 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=54425 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1P0g5X-0006jM-N7 for grub-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Sep 2010 15:43:44 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P0g5W-0007CJ-IS for grub-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Sep 2010 15:43:43 -0400 Received: from mail-bw0-f41.google.com ([209.85.214.41]:63066) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1P0g5W-0007Bz-B0 for grub-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Sep 2010 15:43:42 -0400 Received: by bwz10 with SMTP id 10so58556bwz.0 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 2010 12:43:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-enigmail-version:content-type; bh=EVVQ7751xPqu6ksXx1a4WlrfXLEMTYFiZFdo8uq0LBc=; b=d9nHgTeIp0Rq0jqMQCbE8q/EfY7CzAQ6d7Mu7d7FoqykFQxD0CXp/OYzlnHo48LZz/ 0uzrKScKtLUciEdPPqR7hNPhB2mMj8PtmQTMv5M9AI8QSOcAA0cYkMMHVMP+ofjTTbe3 UygxmF++GeQLALJBzaiXNfuhFct+GSol308E8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type; b=BCxFhsVpv/WBHZRyvM0DWOHnAZv7FHG8inUEcNwJSy62BV9Hbz6ilihZXYrJBrYt4D Djm9uvtnUt61K8j2vqGKSv1YKQSg1Sy96df6JZMuFJuweTOOuG+NLe+KdZW4lW/zfwGK HXSe+kJcfuBrdAjBZJy1VU3h0jfk/1ZakqJ84= Received: by 10.204.127.65 with SMTP id f1mr438084bks.55.1285703020786; Tue, 28 Sep 2010 12:43:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from debian.bg45.phnet (gprs39.swisscom-mobile.ch [193.247.250.39]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y2sm5939366bkx.8.2010.09.28.12.43.35 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 28 Sep 2010 12:43:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4CA2455D.2070105@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 21:43:25 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?VmxhZGltaXIgJ8+GLWNvZGVyL3BoY29kZXInIFNlcmJpbmVua28=?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.11) Gecko/20100805 Icedove/3.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: grub-devel@gnu.org References: <20100923221923.GA21862@riva.ucam.org> <20100924002753.GE8579@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> <197110.28172.qm@web113213.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <20100928080423.GN21862@riva.ucam.org> <4CA23C71.9040601@gmail.com> <20100928191538.GU8579@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> In-Reply-To: <20100928191538.GU8579@caffeine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigD5DCB8CC646B7BC495EAAC7A" X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) Subject: Re: Guidance on conflicts between GNU GRUB and proprietary software X-BeenThere: grub-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: The development of GNU GRUB List-Id: The development of GNU GRUB List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 19:43:45 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigD5DCB8CC646B7BC495EAAC7A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 09/28/2010 09:15 PM, Lennart Sorensen wrote: > On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 09:05:21PM +0200, Vladimir '=CF=86-coder/phcode= r' Serbinenko wrote: > =20 >> Using an embedding partition on msdos as an optional alternative (not = as >> replacement) to MBR gap is a clear possibility, good idea and was >> proposed before but details are very unclear. Like: >> - How to create such partition >> - How does grub find it and ensures that it's an embedding partition? >> Any false positive will result in data loss. Obviously no msdos type i= s >> completely unused by now so it's not a way. >> =20 > There are NO unused ones? How did GPT get a hold of one then? > There should be plenty. > =20 GPT has new types. in msdos there are only 255 possible types. Some are known to be used by well known software but during 10 years of no central body for this and everybody willing a type just taking one in self-service I think every single type is used by either widely known or mostly unknown software. And destroying someone's hobby OS would be a bad thing. > Much harder is making room for yet another partition. > > Of course when using grub2 on an IBM powerpc, you have no choice about > where to put grub. It must be written directly to a PReP boot partitio= n, > since that's the only thing the firmware will attempt to boot from. > And it too uses msdos partitions it seems. Now of course the PReP boot= > partition type could not possibly have any meaning on an x86 system. > Could borrow that one. :) > > =20 GRUB has a design principle of being cross-platform installable. Moreover the same disk can contain multiple grub installation. I personally regularly move the disk between yeeloong and amd64 laptop, well it has only one GRUB since on yeeloong my GRUB is in flash but it could easily have one on disk too. --=20 Regards Vladimir '=CF=86-coder/phcoder' Serbinenko --------------enigD5DCB8CC646B7BC495EAAC7A Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iF4EAREKAAYFAkyiRV0ACgkQNak7dOguQgktUgEAtni6ciaqrs/qT4Bk5kozldWl s2EfOT44cq1hXvpikPYA/0OHhoCVKV9xkM+Ss3v0Q/q5T3xesKVmTtCFVWJprXUn =gdZk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigD5DCB8CC646B7BC495EAAC7A--