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From: Borislav Petkov <bp-Gina5bIWoIWzQB+pC5nmwQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Ard Biesheuvel <ardb-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Arvind Sankar <nivedita-FrUbXkNCsVf2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org>,
	Sergey Shatunov <me-fHUSW+XspFU@public.gmane.org>,
	hpa-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org,
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	mingo-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx-hfZtesqFncYOwBW4kG4KsQ@public.gmane.org>,
	x86-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org,
	linux-efi <linux-efi-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	initramfs-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Donovan Tremura
	<neurognostic-g/b1ySJe57IkP3XJZ0H8fw@public.gmane.org>,
	Harald Hoyer <harald-PnQE6hpDOpmlVyrhU4qvOw@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] x86/boot/compressed/64: Remove .bss/.pgtable from bzImage
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2020 13:20:42 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200406112042.GC2520@zn.tnic> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAMj1kXHAieZDvPKfjF=J+G=QVS+=XS-b4RP_=mjCEFEB_E_+Qw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>

On Mon, Apr 06, 2020 at 11:11:21AM +0200, Ard Biesheuvel wrote:
> Yes, it is in the PE/COFF specification. [0]
> 
> The whole problem is that we are conflating 'loading a PE/COFF image'
> with 'copying a PE/COFF image into memory', which are not the same
> thing. It is not just the layout issue, we are running into other
> problems with things like UEFI secure boot and TPM-based measured
> boot, where the fact that omitting the standard LoadImage() boot
> service (which takes care of these things under the hood) means that
> you now have to do your own checks and measurements. These things are
> literally all over the place at the moment, shim, GRUB, systemd-boot
> etc, with no authoritative spec that describes which component should
> be doing what.

Sounds to me like what LoadImage() does is what the authoritative spec
should be. Perhaps we should write it down as "Do what LoadImage()
does... " and then enumerate the requirements.

> Commit ec93fc371f014a6fb483e3556061ecad4b40735c has the background, but ...

Nice, I like the aspect of letting firmware do only a minimum amount of
work. :)

> ... I'll look into updating the documentation as well.

Thanks!

> Note that this stuff is hot off the press, so there may be some issues
> lurking (like this one) that we hadn't thought of yet.

Right.

> Actually, it may be sufficient to #define __efistub_global to
> __section(.data) like we already do for ARM, to ensure that these
> global flags are always initialized correctly. (I'll wait for Sergey
> to confirm that the spurious enabling of the PCI DMA protection
> resulting from this BSS issue is causing the boot regression)

Cool, but let's not jinx it. :-)

Thx.

-- 
Regards/Gruss,
    Boris.

https://people.kernel.org/tglx/notes-about-netiquette

  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-04-06 11:20 UTC|newest]

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     [not found]       ` <c692eea9213172d8ef937322b02ff585b0dfea82.camel-fHUSW+XspFU@public.gmane.org>
2020-04-06  3:51         ` [PATCH 1/2] x86/boot/compressed/64: Remove .bss/.pgtable from bzImage Arvind Sankar
2020-04-06  7:32           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-04-06  8:47             ` Borislav Petkov
     [not found]               ` <20200406084738.GA2520-Jj63ApZU6fQ@public.gmane.org>
2020-04-06  9:11                 ` Ard Biesheuvel
     [not found]                   ` <CAMj1kXHAieZDvPKfjF=J+G=QVS+=XS-b4RP_=mjCEFEB_E_+Qw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2020-04-06 11:20                     ` Borislav Petkov [this message]
2020-04-06 13:22                       ` Arvind Sankar
     [not found]                         ` <20200406132215.GA113388-ZaHV2fEG+eCZQHugZx4kin66tl449arB@public.gmane.org>
2020-04-06 13:29                           ` Ard Biesheuvel
     [not found]                             ` <CAMj1kXG+34-bK1XuxX5VopkRt1SV1ewUAEmif+aQj5cJQ=9vbA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2020-04-06 16:01                               ` Arvind Sankar
     [not found]                                 ` <20200406160148.GB113388-ZaHV2fEG+eCZQHugZx4kin66tl449arB@public.gmane.org>
2020-04-06 16:22                                   ` Ard Biesheuvel
     [not found]                                     ` <CAMj1kXFKDWB9n0kWhXHLH0XP0O1v_0b=bFJad=kBvx2qVxqDcQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2020-04-06 16:52                                       ` Arvind Sankar
2020-04-06 16:59                                         ` Ard Biesheuvel
     [not found]                                           ` <CAMj1kXEUkJ1XJ9OTsijeq8tNNYC00bXqEV44OMtX5ugo9WoLKA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2020-04-06 18:06                                             ` [PATCH 1/2] efi/x86: Move efi stub globals from .bss to .data Arvind Sankar
2020-04-06 18:06                                               ` [PATCH 2/2] efi/x86: Always relocate the kernel for EFI handover entry Arvind Sankar
     [not found]                                               ` <20200406180614.429454-1-nivedita-FrUbXkNCsVf2fBVCVOL8/A@public.gmane.org>
2020-04-06 18:29                                                 ` [PATCH 1/2] efi/x86: Move efi stub globals from .bss to .data Ard Biesheuvel
2020-04-08  7:43                                                 ` Dave Young
     [not found]                                                   ` <20200408074334.GA21886-0VdLhd/A9Pl+NNSt+8eSiB/sF2h8X+2i0E9HWUfgJXw@public.gmane.org>
2020-04-08  7:49                                                     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-04-09 14:39                                                       ` Arvind Sankar
2020-04-09 14:47                                                         ` Ard Biesheuvel
     [not found]                                                           ` <CAMj1kXEm=E6B+kjZktG=sBPLQ=_HFfUz6KFLskNGzRnuMjn0gA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2020-04-09 16:35                                                             ` Arvind Sankar
     [not found]                                                               ` <20200409163530.GA785575-ZaHV2fEG+eCZQHugZx4kin66tl449arB@public.gmane.org>
2020-04-10 14:47                                                                 ` Arvind Sankar
2020-04-10 15:26                                                                   ` Ard Biesheuvel
     [not found]                                                                     ` <CAMj1kXHMQgnmdoA+qKLGa=gYg4J2p-DU3-K1LiM=AT61pi+Fvw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2020-04-14 14:57                                                                       ` Daniel Kiper
2020-04-10 11:26                                               ` Thomas Meyer
2020-04-10 14:38                                                 ` Arvind Sankar
2020-04-11  8:50                                                   ` Thomas Meyer
2020-04-06 17:21                               ` [PATCH 1/2] x86/boot/compressed/64: Remove .bss/.pgtable from bzImage Borislav Petkov

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