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From: Andrei Borzenkov <arvidjaar@gmail.com>
To: Eric Curtin <ecurtin@redhat.com>, Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org>
Cc: systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, initramfs@vger.kernel.org,
	Yariv Rachmani <yrachman@redhat.com>,
	Stephen Smoogen <ssmoogen@redhat.com>,
	Douglas Landgraf <dlandgra@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC] initoverlayfs - a scalable initial filesystem
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2023 17:56:36 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ac1728d2-1e85-41fb-876b-adb98f0d2dff@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAOgh=Fz9aVO3p=tWQuTtQf-+91dRxyFvNjCk9CGnzvbHWE0u-Q@mail.gmail.com>

On 09.12.2023 17:42, Eric Curtin wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Dec 2023 at 12:46, Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org> wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 8 Dec 2023 at 19:00, Eric Curtin <ecurtin@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> We have been working on a new initial filesystem called initoverlayfs.
>>> It is a new filesystem that provides a more scalable approach to
>>> initial filesystems as opposed to just using initrds. We are writing
>>> this RFC to the systemd and dracut mailing lists (feel free to forward
>>> to UAPI group also) because although this solution works without
>>> changing the code in these projects, it operates in the same area as
>>> systemd, udev, dracut, etc. and uses these tools.
>>
>> It seems to me everything you described already exists? If you want to
>> avoid having an initrd -> rootfs transition, you can already do that -
> 
> You need a initrd -> rootfs transition for generic linux operating
> systems right?

No, you do not. Nothing stops you from running off initramfs (today you 
do not really have init*RAM Disk* - the content of initrd is unpacked 
into initramfs.

> Or else you start building all sorts of things directly
> into the kernel which isn't really scalable.
>

See above.


  reply	other threads:[~2023-12-09 14:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-12-08 17:59 [RFC] initoverlayfs - a scalable initial filesystem Eric Curtin
2023-12-09 12:46 ` Luca Boccassi
2023-12-09 14:42   ` Eric Curtin
2023-12-09 14:56     ` Andrei Borzenkov [this message]
2023-12-09 15:07       ` Eric Curtin
2023-12-09 15:22         ` Daan De Meyer
2023-12-09 15:46           ` Eric Curtin
2023-12-09 17:19         ` Luca Boccassi
2023-12-09 17:24           ` Eric Curtin
2023-12-09 17:46             ` Luca Boccassi
2023-12-09 17:57               ` Eric Curtin
2023-12-09 18:11                 ` Luca Boccassi
2023-12-09 18:26                   ` Eric Curtin
2023-12-11  9:57 ` Lennart Poettering
2023-12-11 10:07   ` Lennart Poettering
2023-12-11 11:20   ` Eric Curtin
2023-12-11 11:28     ` Eric Curtin
2023-12-11 11:42       ` Eric Curtin
2023-12-11 11:58         ` Lennart Poettering
2023-12-11 11:51       ` Lennart Poettering
2023-12-11 12:48         ` Eric Curtin
2023-12-11 12:52           ` Eric Curtin
2023-12-12 17:37           ` Lennart Poettering
2023-12-12 17:40           ` Lennart Poettering
2023-12-12 19:05             ` Demi Marie Obenour
2023-12-11 16:28   ` Demi Marie Obenour
2023-12-11 17:03     ` Eric Curtin
2023-12-11 17:46       ` Demi Marie Obenour
2023-12-12 18:00       ` Lennart Poettering
2023-12-12 20:34         ` Nils Kattenbeck
2023-12-12 20:48           ` Eric Curtin
2023-12-12 21:02           ` Lennart Poettering
2023-12-12 22:01             ` Nils Kattenbeck
2023-12-13  9:03               ` Lennart Poettering
2023-12-14  1:17                 ` Nils Kattenbeck
2023-12-16 14:34                   ` Lennart Poettering
2023-12-11 17:33     ` Neal Gompa
2023-12-11 20:15     ` Luca Boccassi
2023-12-11 20:43       ` Demi Marie Obenour
2023-12-11 20:58         ` Luca Boccassi
2023-12-11 21:20           ` Demi Marie Obenour
2023-12-11 21:45             ` Luca Boccassi
2023-12-12  3:47               ` Paul Menzel
2023-12-12  3:56               ` Paul Menzel
2023-12-12 15:26               ` Paul Menzel
2023-12-11 21:24           ` Eric Curtin
2023-12-12 17:50     ` Lennart Poettering
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2023-12-18 21:59 Askar Safin
     [not found] ` <CAOgh=FyA94-7YqGpsAqVQjadegRusoAvRhD=t-ipzVWN0CiJRQ@mail.gmail.com>
2023-12-18 23:31   ` Askar Safin

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