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From: Imre Deak <imre.deak@intel.com>
To: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>, Daniel Vetter <daniel@ffwll.ch>
Cc: intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/3] drm/i915/hda: Add audio component stub
Date: Tue, 17 May 2016 13:22:52 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1463480572.1241.20.camel@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <s5heg9180pa.wl-tiwai@suse.de>

On ti, 2016-05-17 at 11:59 +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> On Tue, 17 May 2016 11:42:17 +0200,
> Daniel Vetter wrote:
> > 
> > On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 09:37:12AM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> > > On Tue, 17 May 2016 09:20:48 +0200,
> > > Daniel Vetter wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 09:06:53PM +0300, Imre Deak wrote:
> > > > > User may pass nomodeset or i915.modeset=0 option to disable i915 KMS
> > > > > explicitly.  Although this itself works fine, it breaks the weak
> > > > > dependency the HD-audio driver requires, and it's the reason the
> > > > > delayed component binding isn't implemented in HD-audio.  Since i915
> > > > > doesn't notify its disablement, HD-audio would be blocked
> > > > > unnecessarily endlessly, waiting for the bind with i915.
> > > > > 
> > > > > This patch introduces a stub audio component binding when i915 driver
> > > > > is loaded with KMS off like the boot options above.  Then i915 driver
> > > > > still registers the slave component but with the new "disabled" ops
> > > > > flag, so that the master component (HD-audio) can know clearly the
> > > > > slave state.
> > > > > 
> > > > > v2:
> > > > > - Fail the probe in case component registration fails, instead of
> > > > >   suppressing the error. (Ville)
> > > > > - Register the component only for the real PCI device function.
> > > > > 
> > > > > CC: Ville Syrjälä <ville.syrjala@linux.intel.com>
> > > > > Signed-off-by: Imre Deak <imre.deak@intel.com>
> > > > > Signed-off-by: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>
> > > > 
> > > > We don't support not running with modesetting. Why do we suddenly care?
> > > 
> > > This is needed for the patch 2 and 3.  Right now we have no blocking
> > > or deferred component binding, so far, in HD-audio side.  This caused
> > > problems when async module probe was done.
> > > 
> > > So, the patch 3 implements the blocking behavior of HD-audio side.  It
> > > would lead to another regression when i915 doesn't notify its disabled
> > > state by this patch.  Otherwise the HD-audio driver will be blocked
> > > endlessly of unnecessarily long.
> > > 
> > > > Same for users creating a .config that fails to boot or work ...
> > > 
> > > The config isn't cared much, but the problem is about the runtime boot
> > > option.
> > > 
> > > > If HDA needs to coporate with gfx to get things done, then imo we should
> > > > just require that i915.ko is there.
> > > 
> > > Other way round: we do already require i915 in HD-audio side.  But in
> > > this case, we do *not* want to require i915 when it's disabled in
> > > runtime. 
> > 
> > That's what I mean: If you boot with i915.nomodeset you're explicitly fine
> > with a somewhat non-useable system - that option is for debugging only
> > really. If that means audio also doesn't work, then I think that's ok.
> 
> It's not only "it doesn't work".  The module load gets stuck.  So we
> need some notification for the blocked component binding.
> 
> > Adding complexity for this case (which means more error paths we don't
> > ever test and hence _will_ break) seems over the top.
> > 
> > I'm quite opposed to adding error handling for every condition in general
> > because the combinatorial testing madness just can't be handled. The one
> > exception in the i915.ko driver is that when the render side died
> > (terminal gpu hang) we'll try our best to keep the display alive. But
> > that's it, and the justification for that is "we want users to be able to
> > get the bug report out". I don't see a justification of that magnitude for
> > this feature here at all.
> 
> Well, actually the patchset was proposed just because Intel CI tests
> failed due to async module probes.  If Intel is happy with continued
> CI test failures, I'm also happy with the current situation ;)

It's not only due to those particular failures. That was caused by a
kmod bug and as such would be good to not depend on that mechanism. But
things will fail atm even in the normal case when audio is built-in and
i915 is a module. This patchset would solve that too.

--Imre
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Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-04-07 10:57 [PATCH 0/3] More robust i915 / audio binding Takashi Iwai
2016-04-07 10:57 ` [PATCH 1/3] drm/i915/hda: Add audio component stub Takashi Iwai
2016-04-07 11:55   ` Ville Syrjälä
2016-04-07 12:30     ` Imre Deak
2016-04-25 12:46       ` Takashi Iwai
2016-05-12 18:06   ` [PATCH v2 " Imre Deak
2016-05-13  7:48     ` Takashi Iwai
2016-05-13  9:50       ` Imre Deak
2016-05-13 10:04         ` Takashi Iwai
2016-05-13 10:44           ` Imre Deak
2016-05-17  7:20     ` Daniel Vetter
2016-05-17  7:37       ` Takashi Iwai
2016-05-17  9:42         ` Daniel Vetter
2016-05-17  9:59           ` Takashi Iwai
2016-05-17 10:22             ` Imre Deak [this message]
2016-05-17 11:10               ` Daniel Vetter
2016-05-17 12:11                 ` Imre Deak
2016-05-17 12:34                   ` Daniel Vetter
2016-05-17 12:37                     ` Daniel Vetter
2016-05-17 12:39                       ` Daniel Vetter
2016-05-17 12:53                         ` Takashi Iwai
2016-05-17 13:57                           ` Takashi Iwai
2016-05-17 13:59                             ` Daniel Vetter
2016-05-17 15:03                               ` Takashi Iwai
2016-05-17 12:51                       ` Takashi Iwai
2016-05-17 12:47                     ` Takashi Iwai
2016-05-17 12:56                       ` Daniel Vetter
2016-05-17 13:20                         ` Takashi Iwai
2016-05-17 16:18                           ` Daniel Vetter
2016-05-17 16:23                             ` Daniel Vetter
2016-05-17 18:19                               ` Takashi Iwai
2016-05-17 21:11                                 ` Daniel Vetter
2016-05-18  9:06                                   ` Takashi Iwai
2016-05-17 17:24                             ` Takashi Iwai
2016-05-17  9:10       ` Imre Deak
2016-04-07 10:57 ` [PATCH 2/3] ALSA: hda - Immediately fail if the i915 audio component is disabled Takashi Iwai
2016-04-07 10:57 ` [PATCH 3/3] ALSA: hda - Support deferred i915 audio component binding Takashi Iwai
2016-04-07 14:09 ` ✗ Fi.CI.BAT: failure for More robust i915 / audio binding Patchwork
2016-05-12 18:49 ` ✗ Ro.CI.BAT: failure for More robust i915 / audio binding (rev2) Patchwork

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