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From: Jani Nikula <jani.nikula@linux.intel.com>
To: Daniel Vetter <daniel@ffwll.ch>,
	Chris Wilson <chris@chris-wilson.co.uk>Daniel Vetter
	<daniel@ffwll.ch>, intel-gfx <intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	Daniel Vetter <daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch>
Subject: BUG_ON vs WARN_ON (was: Re: [PATCH] drm/i915: Localise the fbdev console lock frobbing)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 13:07:06 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <871tsjqt9x.fsf@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKMK7uHcEaHD1T7jRdA24dmjM8UexNC5c8J1oDn2x21yT0C-qw@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, 14 Aug 2014, Daniel Vetter <daniel@ffwll.ch> wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 8:54 AM, Chris Wilson <chris@chris-wilson.co.uk> wrote:
>> I disaggree with the conversion of the BUG_ON though, a WARN there is
>> going to screw up unpredictably (well, a hard hang without any output
>> is the predictable outcome). I'd like to have asserts for things that
>> could and should be statically analyzed...
>
> Well I've put a zero-tolerance rule for BUG_ON into place with the
> only exception if the kernel will die anyway in the next few lines.
> Which means I trade in a limping (and potentially dangerous) kernel
> for the ability to be able to read the backtrace somewhere. I agree
> that any such extreme policy will end up looking stupid in some cases,
> but I've just decided that I wasted too much time on chasing lookups
> which would have been trivial to debug with a WARN_ON instead of a
> BUG_ON.
>
> Until I've wasted too much time with WARN_ON instead of BUG_ON I'll
> let it stick.  And it's supported by my patch scripts, so small chance
> I'll miss one. Ofc I'll never change it without a notice in the commit
> message, so people can always blame me for it.

In other words, WARN_ON is the new BUG_ON. But what's the new WARN_ON?
Now we're conflating two things (limp home mode and crashing) into
one. When I see WARN_ON in code, it's no longer clear to me whether this
is a condition that we're supposed to survive or not. For example, does
the code below a WARN_ON need to properly handle errors due to the
condition? To me, BUG_ON is a code reading aide that sets the absolute
precondition for the following code. Something that absolutely must be
fixed if someone hits it, while WARN_ON can sometimes be ignored, or
even replaced with DRM_DEBUG.

If we have zero-tolerance for BUG_ON, and replace all of those with
WARN_ON, we'll need to start being *very* selective about adding WARN_ON
as well.


BR,
Jani.


> -Daniel
> -- 
> Daniel Vetter
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> +41 (0) 79 365 57 48 - http://blog.ffwll.ch
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-- 
Jani Nikula, Intel Open Source Technology Center

  reply	other threads:[~2014-08-14 10:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-08-12 14:15 [PATCH] drm/i915: Localise the fbdev console lock frobbing Chris Wilson
2014-08-13 11:26 ` Daniel Vetter
2014-08-13 11:32   ` Chris Wilson
2014-08-13 11:39     ` Daniel Vetter
2014-08-13 12:00       ` Chris Wilson
2014-08-13 12:05       ` Chris Wilson
2014-08-13 12:09       ` Chris Wilson
2014-08-13 12:46         ` Daniel Vetter
2014-08-13 12:58           ` Chris Wilson
2014-08-13 13:04             ` Daniel Vetter
2014-08-13 13:09               ` Chris Wilson
2014-08-13 13:40                 ` Daniel Vetter
2014-08-14  6:54                   ` Chris Wilson
2014-08-14  8:35                     ` Daniel Vetter
2014-08-14 10:07                       ` Jani Nikula [this message]
2014-08-14 14:18                         ` BUG_ON vs WARN_ON (was: Re: [PATCH] drm/i915: Localise the fbdev console lock frobbing) Daniel Vetter

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