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From: Maarten Lankhorst <maarten.lankhorst@linux.intel.com>
To: "Thomas Hellström" <thomas.hellstrom@linux.intel.com>,
	intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org
Cc: "Thomas Hellström" <thomas.hellstrom@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4 31/61] drm/i915: Prepare for obj->mm.lock removal
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2020 17:01:15 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <dc6e6c59-a11e-eded-55c0-32a5bbf2f0c0@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ef1ea178-f0d3-1bea-5c08-fd1602ac1f7b@linux.intel.com>

Op 02-11-2020 om 11:13 schreef Thomas Hellström:
>
> On 10/16/20 12:44 PM, Maarten Lankhorst wrote:
>> From: Thomas Hellström <thomas.hellstrom@intel.com>
>>
>> Stolen objects need to lock, and we may call put_pages when
>> refcount drops to 0, ensure all calls are handled correctly.
>>
>> Idea-from: Thomas Hellström <thomas.hellstrom@intel.com>
>> Signed-off-by: Maarten Lankhorst <maarten.lankhorst@linux.intel.com>
>> ---
>>   drivers/gpu/drm/i915/gem/i915_gem_object.h | 14 ++++++++++++++
>>   drivers/gpu/drm/i915/gem/i915_gem_pages.c  | 14 ++++++++++++--
>>   drivers/gpu/drm/i915/gem/i915_gem_stolen.c | 10 +++++++++-
>>   3 files changed, 35 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
>>
>> diff --git a/drivers/gpu/drm/i915/gem/i915_gem_object.h b/drivers/gpu/drm/i915/gem/i915_gem_object.h
>> index 8db84ce09d9f..a3a701d849bf 100644
>> --- a/drivers/gpu/drm/i915/gem/i915_gem_object.h
>> +++ b/drivers/gpu/drm/i915/gem/i915_gem_object.h
>> @@ -112,6 +112,20 @@ i915_gem_object_put(struct drm_i915_gem_object *obj)
>>     #define assert_object_held(obj) dma_resv_assert_held((obj)->base.resv)
>>   +/*
>> + * If more than one potential simultaneous locker, assert held.
>> + */
>> +static inline void assert_object_held_shared(struct drm_i915_gem_object *obj)
>> +{
>> +    /*
>> +     * Note mm list lookup is protected by
>> +     * kref_get_unless_zero().
>> +     */
>> +    if (IS_ENABLED(CONFIG_LOCKDEP) &&
>> +        kref_read(&obj->base.refcount) > 0)
>> +        lockdep_assert_held(&obj->mm.lock);
>> +}
>> +
>>   static inline int __i915_gem_object_lock(struct drm_i915_gem_object *obj,
>>                        struct i915_gem_ww_ctx *ww,
>>                        bool intr)
>> diff --git a/drivers/gpu/drm/i915/gem/i915_gem_pages.c b/drivers/gpu/drm/i915/gem/i915_gem_pages.c
>> index ef1d5fabd077..429ec652c394 100644
>> --- a/drivers/gpu/drm/i915/gem/i915_gem_pages.c
>> +++ b/drivers/gpu/drm/i915/gem/i915_gem_pages.c
>> @@ -18,7 +18,7 @@ void __i915_gem_object_set_pages(struct drm_i915_gem_object *obj,
>>       unsigned long supported = INTEL_INFO(i915)->page_sizes;
>>       int i;
>>   -    lockdep_assert_held(&obj->mm.lock);
>> +    assert_object_held_shared(obj);
>>         if (i915_gem_object_is_volatile(obj))
>>           obj->mm.madv = I915_MADV_DONTNEED;
>> @@ -67,6 +67,7 @@ void __i915_gem_object_set_pages(struct drm_i915_gem_object *obj,
>>           struct list_head *list;
>>           unsigned long flags;
>>   +        lockdep_assert_held(&obj->mm.lock);
>>           spin_lock_irqsave(&i915->mm.obj_lock, flags);
>>             i915->mm.shrink_count++;
>> @@ -88,6 +89,8 @@ int ____i915_gem_object_get_pages(struct drm_i915_gem_object *obj)
>>       struct drm_i915_private *i915 = to_i915(obj->base.dev);
>>       int err;
>>   +    assert_object_held_shared(obj);
>> +
>>       if (unlikely(obj->mm.madv != I915_MADV_WILLNEED)) {
>>           drm_dbg(&i915->drm,
>>               "Attempting to obtain a purgeable object\n");
>> @@ -115,6 +118,8 @@ int __i915_gem_object_get_pages(struct drm_i915_gem_object *obj)
>>       if (err)
>>           return err;
>>   +    assert_object_held_shared(obj);
>> +
>>       if (unlikely(!i915_gem_object_has_pages(obj))) {
>>           GEM_BUG_ON(i915_gem_object_has_pinned_pages(obj));
>>   @@ -142,7 +147,7 @@ void i915_gem_object_truncate(struct drm_i915_gem_object *obj)
>>   /* Try to discard unwanted pages */
>>   void i915_gem_object_writeback(struct drm_i915_gem_object *obj)
>>   {
>> -    lockdep_assert_held(&obj->mm.lock);
>> +    assert_object_held_shared(obj);
>>       GEM_BUG_ON(i915_gem_object_has_pages(obj));
>>         if (obj->ops->writeback)
>> @@ -175,6 +180,8 @@ __i915_gem_object_unset_pages(struct drm_i915_gem_object *obj)
>>   {
>>       struct sg_table *pages;
>>   +    assert_object_held_shared(obj);
>> +
>>       pages = fetch_and_zero(&obj->mm.pages);
>>       if (IS_ERR_OR_NULL(pages))
>>           return pages;
>> @@ -202,6 +209,9 @@ int __i915_gem_object_put_pages_locked(struct drm_i915_gem_object *obj)
>>       if (i915_gem_object_has_pinned_pages(obj))
>>           return -EBUSY;
>>   +    /* May be called by shrinker from within get_pages() (on another bo) */
>> +    assert_object_held_shared(obj);
>> +
>>       i915_gem_object_release_mmap_offset(obj);
>>         /*
>> diff --git a/drivers/gpu/drm/i915/gem/i915_gem_stolen.c b/drivers/gpu/drm/i915/gem/i915_gem_stolen.c
>> index 9a9242b5a99f..1fd287ce86f4 100644
>> --- a/drivers/gpu/drm/i915/gem/i915_gem_stolen.c
>> +++ b/drivers/gpu/drm/i915/gem/i915_gem_stolen.c
>> @@ -593,11 +593,19 @@ __i915_gem_object_create_stolen(struct intel_memory_region *mem,
>>       cache_level = HAS_LLC(mem->i915) ? I915_CACHE_LLC : I915_CACHE_NONE;
>>       i915_gem_object_set_cache_coherency(obj, cache_level);
>>   +    if (WARN_ON(!i915_gem_object_trylock(obj))) {
>> +        err = -EBUSY;
>> +        goto cleanup;
>> +    }
>
> We should probably keep the _isolated annotation here. I think it needs to be used elsewhere anyway.
>
> Otherwise
>
> Signed-off-by: Thomas Hellström <thomas.hellstrom@linux.intel.com>
>
>
I think it's best not to reintroduce lock_isolated, but open code it with a big comment why it's needed every time. :)

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Thread overview: 139+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-10-16 10:43 [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4 00/61] drm/i915: Remove obj->mm.lock! Maarten Lankhorst
2020-10-16 10:43 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4 01/61] drm/i915: Move cmd parser pinning to execbuffer Maarten Lankhorst
2020-11-03 13:49   ` Thomas Hellström
2020-10-16 10:43 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4 02/61] drm/i915: Add missing -EDEADLK handling to execbuf pinning Maarten Lankhorst
2020-10-20 20:18   ` Matthew Brost
2020-10-30  8:43     ` Maarten Lankhorst
2020-10-30 15:11   ` Thomas Hellström
2020-10-16 10:43 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4 03/61] drm/i915: Do not share hwsp across contexts any more, v4 Maarten Lankhorst
2020-10-16 10:59   ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4] " Maarten Lankhorst
2020-10-19 12:49     ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH] drm/i915: Do not share hwsp across contexts any more, v5 Maarten Lankhorst
2020-10-19 13:01       ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v5.1] " Maarten Lankhorst
2020-10-16 10:43 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4 04/61] drm/i915: Pin timeline map after first timeline pin, v3 Maarten Lankhorst
2020-10-16 12:30   ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4.1] " Maarten Lankhorst
2020-10-16 14:16     ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4.2] " Maarten Lankhorst
2020-10-16 10:43 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4 05/61] drm/i915: Ensure we hold the object mutex in pin correctly Maarten Lankhorst
2020-10-16 10:43 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4 06/61] drm/i915: Add gem object locking to madvise Maarten Lankhorst
2020-10-30  8:26   ` Thomas Hellström
2020-10-16 10:43 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4 07/61] drm/i915: Move HAS_STRUCT_PAGE to obj->flags Maarten Lankhorst
2020-10-30  8:31   ` Thomas Hellström
2020-10-16 10:43 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4 08/61] drm/i915: Rework struct phys attachment handling Maarten Lankhorst
2020-10-30  8:34   ` Thomas Hellström
2020-10-16 10:43 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4 09/61] drm/i915: Convert i915_gem_object_attach_phys() to ww locking Maarten Lankhorst
2020-10-30  8:38   ` Thomas Hellström (Intel)
2020-10-16 10:43 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4 10/61] drm/i915: make lockdep slightly happier about execbuf Maarten Lankhorst
2020-10-30  8:59   ` Thomas Hellström
2020-10-16 10:43 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4 11/61] drm/i915: Disable userptr pread/pwrite support Maarten Lankhorst
2020-10-30  9:03   ` Thomas Hellström
2020-10-16 10:43 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4 12/61] drm/i915: No longer allow exporting userptr through dma-buf Maarten Lankhorst
2020-10-30  9:04   ` Thomas Hellström (Intel)
2020-10-16 10:43 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4 13/61] drm/i915: Reject more ioctls for userptr Maarten Lankhorst
2020-10-30  9:22   ` Thomas Hellström (Intel)
2020-10-30  9:56     ` Maarten Lankhorst
2020-10-30 14:14       ` Thomas Hellström (Intel)
2020-10-16 10:43 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4 14/61] drm/i915: Reject UNSYNCHRONIZED " Maarten Lankhorst
2020-10-30  9:26   ` Thomas Hellström (Intel)
2020-10-30 10:10     ` Maarten Lankhorst
2020-10-30 14:15       ` Thomas Hellström (Intel)
2020-10-30 10:11     ` Maarten Lankhorst
2020-10-30 14:18       ` Thomas Hellström (Intel)
2020-11-02  8:50         ` Maarten Lankhorst
2020-10-16 10:43 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4 15/61] drm/i915: Fix userptr so we do not have to worry about obj->mm.lock, v4 Maarten Lankhorst
2020-10-19  7:30   ` Thomas Hellström (Intel)
2020-10-19  7:52     ` Thomas Hellström (Intel)
2020-10-19  8:10     ` Maarten Lankhorst
2020-10-20  6:28       ` Thomas Hellström (Intel)
2020-10-16 10:43 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4 16/61] drm/i915: Flatten obj->mm.lock Maarten Lankhorst
2020-10-30  9:36   ` Thomas Hellström (Intel)
2020-10-16 10:44 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4 17/61] drm/i915: Populate logical context during first pin Maarten Lankhorst
2020-10-30  9:42   ` Thomas Hellström
2020-10-16 10:44 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4 18/61] drm/i915: Make ring submission compatible with obj->mm.lock removal, v2 Maarten Lankhorst
2020-10-30  9:46   ` Thomas Hellström (Intel)
2020-10-16 10:44 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4 19/61] drm/i915: Handle ww locking in init_status_page Maarten Lankhorst
2020-10-30  9:48   ` Thomas Hellström (Intel)
2020-10-16 10:44 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4 20/61] drm/i915: Rework clflush to work correctly without obj->mm.lock Maarten Lankhorst
2020-10-30 15:08   ` Thomas Hellström
2020-11-02  8:48     ` Maarten Lankhorst
2020-11-02  9:22       ` Thomas Hellström
2020-11-05  7:10         ` Thomas Hellström
2020-10-16 10:44 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4 21/61] drm/i915: Pass ww ctx to intel_pin_to_display_plane Maarten Lankhorst
2020-11-03 13:54   ` Thomas Hellström
2020-10-16 10:44 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4 22/61] drm/i915: Add object locking to vm_fault_cpu Maarten Lankhorst
2020-10-30 15:14   ` Thomas Hellström
2020-10-16 10:44 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4 23/61] drm/i915: Move pinning to inside engine_wa_list_verify() Maarten Lankhorst
2020-10-30 15:17   ` Thomas Hellström
2020-10-16 10:44 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4 24/61] drm/i915: Take reservation lock around i915_vma_pin Maarten Lankhorst
2020-10-30 15:21   ` Thomas Hellström
2020-10-16 10:44 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4 25/61] drm/i915: Make intel_init_workaround_bb more compatible with ww locking Maarten Lankhorst
2020-10-30 15:23   ` Thomas Hellström
2020-10-16 10:44 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4 26/61] drm/i915: Make __engine_unpark() " Maarten Lankhorst
2020-10-16 14:08   ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4.1] " Maarten Lankhorst
2020-10-30 15:25   ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4 26/61] " Thomas Hellström
2020-10-16 10:44 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4 27/61] drm/i915: Take obj lock around set_domain ioctl Maarten Lankhorst
2020-11-02  9:56   ` Thomas Hellström
2020-10-16 10:44 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4 28/61] drm/i915: Defer pin calls in buffer pool until first use by caller Maarten Lankhorst
2020-11-02  9:53   ` Thomas Hellström
2020-10-16 10:44 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4 29/61] drm/i915: Fix pread/pwrite to work with new locking rules Maarten Lankhorst
2020-11-02 10:00   ` Thomas Hellström
2020-10-16 10:44 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4 30/61] drm/i915: Fix workarounds selftest, part 1 Maarten Lankhorst
2020-11-02 10:06   ` Thomas Hellström
2020-10-16 10:44 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4 31/61] drm/i915: Prepare for obj->mm.lock removal Maarten Lankhorst
2020-11-02 10:13   ` Thomas Hellström
2020-11-04 16:01     ` Maarten Lankhorst [this message]
2020-10-16 10:44 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4 32/61] drm/i915: Add igt_spinner_pin() to allow for ww locking around spinner Maarten Lankhorst
2020-11-03  8:55   ` Thomas Hellström (Intel)
2020-10-16 10:44 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4 33/61] drm/i915: Add ww locking around vm_access() Maarten Lankhorst
2020-11-03  8:56   ` Thomas Hellström (Intel)
2020-10-16 10:44 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4 34/61] drm/i915: Increase ww locking for perf Maarten Lankhorst
2020-11-03  8:58   ` Thomas Hellström (Intel)
2020-10-16 10:44 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4 35/61] drm/i915: Lock ww in ucode objects correctly Maarten Lankhorst
2020-11-03  9:00   ` Thomas Hellström (Intel)
2020-10-16 10:44 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4 36/61] drm/i915: Add ww locking to dma-buf ops Maarten Lankhorst
2020-11-03  9:02   ` Thomas Hellström (Intel)
2020-10-16 10:44 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4 37/61] drm/i915: Add missing ww lock in intel_dsb_prepare Maarten Lankhorst
2020-11-03  9:04   ` Thomas Hellström
2020-10-16 10:44 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4 38/61] drm/i915: Fix ww locking in shmem_create_from_object Maarten Lankhorst
2020-11-03  9:06   ` Thomas Hellström
2020-10-16 10:44 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4 39/61] drm/i915: Use a single page table lock for each gtt Maarten Lankhorst
2020-11-03  9:09   ` Thomas Hellström
2020-10-16 10:44 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4 40/61] drm/i915/selftests: Prepare huge_pages testcases for obj->mm.lock removal Maarten Lankhorst
2020-11-03 13:21   ` Thomas Hellström
2020-10-16 10:44 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4 41/61] drm/i915/selftests: Prepare client blit " Maarten Lankhorst
2020-10-16 10:44 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4 42/61] drm/i915/selftests: Prepare coherency tests " Maarten Lankhorst
2020-10-16 10:44 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4 43/61] drm/i915/selftests: Prepare context " Maarten Lankhorst
2020-10-16 10:44 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4 44/61] drm/i915/selftests: Prepare dma-buf " Maarten Lankhorst
2020-10-16 10:44 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4 45/61] drm/i915/selftests: Prepare execbuf " Maarten Lankhorst
2020-10-16 10:44 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4 46/61] drm/i915/selftests: Prepare mman testcases " Maarten Lankhorst
2020-10-16 10:44 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4 47/61] drm/i915/selftests: Prepare object tests " Maarten Lankhorst
2020-10-16 10:44 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4 48/61] drm/i915/selftests: Prepare object blit " Maarten Lankhorst
2020-10-16 10:44 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4 49/61] drm/i915/selftests: Prepare igt_gem_utils " Maarten Lankhorst
2020-10-16 10:44 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4 50/61] drm/i915/selftests: Prepare context selftest " Maarten Lankhorst
2020-10-16 10:44 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4 51/61] drm/i915/selftests: Prepare hangcheck " Maarten Lankhorst
2020-10-16 10:44 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4 52/61] drm/i915/selftests: Prepare execlists " Maarten Lankhorst
2020-10-16 10:44 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4 53/61] drm/i915/selftests: Prepare mocs tests " Maarten Lankhorst
2020-10-16 10:44 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4 54/61] drm/i915/selftests: Prepare ring submission " Maarten Lankhorst
2020-10-16 10:44 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4 55/61] drm/i915/selftests: Prepare timeline tests " Maarten Lankhorst
2020-10-16 10:44 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4 56/61] drm/i915/selftests: Prepare i915_request " Maarten Lankhorst
2020-10-16 10:44 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4 57/61] drm/i915/selftests: Prepare memory region " Maarten Lankhorst
2020-10-16 10:44 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4 58/61] drm/i915/selftests: Prepare cs engine " Maarten Lankhorst
2020-10-16 10:44 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4 59/61] drm/i915/selftests: Prepare gtt " Maarten Lankhorst
2020-11-03 13:27   ` Thomas Hellström
2020-11-03 13:32     ` Thomas Hellström
2020-10-16 10:44 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4 60/61] drm/i915: Finally remove obj->mm.lock Maarten Lankhorst
2020-11-03 13:31   ` Thomas Hellström
2020-10-16 10:44 ` [Intel-gfx] [PATCH v4 61/61] drm/i915: Keep userpointer bindings if seqcount is unchanged, v2 Maarten Lankhorst
2020-10-19  7:02   ` Thomas Hellström (Intel)
2020-10-16 10:49 ` [Intel-gfx] ✗ Fi.CI.BUILD: failure for drm/i915: Remove obj->mm.lock! (rev4) Patchwork
2020-10-16 11:18 ` [Intel-gfx] ✗ Fi.CI.BUILD: failure for drm/i915: Remove obj->mm.lock! (rev5) Patchwork
2020-10-16 12:52 ` [Intel-gfx] ✗ Fi.CI.BUILD: failure for drm/i915: Remove obj->mm.lock! (rev6) Patchwork
2020-10-16 15:59 ` [Intel-gfx] ✗ Fi.CI.CHECKPATCH: warning for drm/i915: Remove obj->mm.lock! (rev8) Patchwork
2020-10-16 16:00 ` [Intel-gfx] ✗ Fi.CI.SPARSE: " Patchwork
2020-10-16 16:02 ` [Intel-gfx] ✗ Fi.CI.DOCS: " Patchwork
2020-10-16 16:25 ` [Intel-gfx] ✓ Fi.CI.BAT: success " Patchwork
2020-10-16 18:31 ` [Intel-gfx] ✗ Fi.CI.IGT: failure " Patchwork
2020-10-19 12:53 ` [Intel-gfx] ✗ Fi.CI.BUILD: failure for drm/i915: Remove obj->mm.lock! (rev9) Patchwork
2020-10-19 13:26 ` [Intel-gfx] ✗ Fi.CI.CHECKPATCH: warning for drm/i915: Remove obj->mm.lock! (rev10) Patchwork
2020-10-19 13:27 ` [Intel-gfx] ✗ Fi.CI.SPARSE: " Patchwork
2020-10-19 13:29 ` [Intel-gfx] ✗ Fi.CI.DOCS: " Patchwork
2020-10-19 13:51 ` [Intel-gfx] ✓ Fi.CI.BAT: success " Patchwork
2020-10-19 15:33 ` [Intel-gfx] ✗ Fi.CI.IGT: failure " Patchwork

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