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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: "Christian König" <ckoenig.leichtzumerken@gmail.com>,
	intel-xe@lists.freedesktop.org, intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org,
	dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org,
	x86@kernel.org
Cc: airlied@gmail.com, thomas.hellstrom@linux.intel.com,
	matthew.brost@intel.com, dave.hansen@linux.intel.com,
	luto@kernel.org, peterz@infradead.org,
	Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
Subject: Re:
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2025 17:23:07 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <edf4aee5-54eb-4fad-aa89-4913d44371fe@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250820143739.3422-1-christian.koenig@amd.com>

CCing Lorenzo

On 20.08.25 16:33, Christian König wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> 
> sorry for CCing so many people, but that rabbit hole turned out to be
> deeper than originally thought.
> 
> TTM always had problems with UC/WC mappings on 32bit systems and drivers
> often had to revert to hacks like using GFP_DMA32 to get things working
> while having no rational explanation why that helped (see the TTM AGP,
> radeon and nouveau driver code for that).
> 
> It turned out that the PAT implementation we use on x86 not only enforces
> the same caching attributes for pages in the linear kernel mapping, but
> also for highmem pages through a separate R/B tree.
> 
> That was unexpected and TTM never updated that R/B tree for highmem pages,
> so the function pgprot_set_cachemode() just overwrote the caching
> attributes drivers passed in to vmf_insert_pfn_prot() and that essentially
> caused all kind of random trouble.
> 
> An R/B tree is potentially not a good data structure to hold thousands if
> not millions of different attributes for each page, so updating that is
> probably not the way to solve this issue.
> 
> Thomas pointed out that the i915 driver is using apply_page_range()
> instead of vmf_insert_pfn_prot() to circumvent the PAT implementation and
> just fill in the page tables with what the driver things is the right
> caching attribute.

I assume you mean apply_to_page_range() -- same issue in patch subjects.

Oh this sounds horrible. Why oh why do we have these hacks in core-mm 
and have drivers abuse them :(

Honestly, apply_to_pte_range() is just the entry in doing all kinds of 
weird crap to page tables because "you know better".

All the sanity checks from vmf_insert_pfn(), gone.

Can we please fix the underlying issue properly?

-- 
Cheers

David / dhildenb


  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-08-20 15:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20250820143739.3422-1-christian.koenig@amd.com>
2025-08-20 14:33 ` [PATCH 1/3] drm/ttm: use apply_page_range instead of vmf_insert_pfn_prot Christian König
2025-08-20 14:33 ` [PATCH 2/3] drm/ttm: reapply increase ttm pre-fault value to PMD size" Christian König
2025-08-20 14:33 ` [PATCH 3/3] drm/ttm: disable changing the global caching flags on newer AMD CPUs v2 Christian König
2025-08-20 15:12   ` Borislav Petkov
2025-08-20 15:23 ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2025-08-21  8:10   ` Christian König
2025-08-25 19:10     ` Re: David Hildenbrand
2025-08-26  8:38       ` Re: Christian König
2025-08-26  8:46         ` Re: David Hildenbrand
2025-08-26  9:00           ` Re: Christian König
2025-08-26  9:17             ` Re: David Hildenbrand
2025-08-26  9:56               ` Re: Christian König
2025-08-26 12:07                 ` Re: David Hildenbrand
2025-08-26 16:09                   ` Re: Christian König
2025-08-27  9:13                     ` [PATCH 0/3] drm/ttm: Michel Dänzer
2025-08-28 21:18                     ` stupid and complicated PAT :) David Hildenbrand
2025-08-28 21:28                       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-08-28 21:32                         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-08-29 10:50                           ` Christian König
2025-08-29 19:52                             ` David Hildenbrand
2025-08-29 19:58                               ` David Hildenbrand
2025-08-26 14:27                 ` Thomas Hellström
2025-08-28 21:01                   ` stupid PAT :) David Hildenbrand
2025-08-26 12:37         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-08-21  9:16   ` your mail Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-21  9:30     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-08-21 10:05       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-08-21 10:16         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-08-25 18:35         ` Christian König
2025-08-25 19:20           ` David Hildenbrand
2025-08-21  8:19 ` ✗ i915.CI.BAT: failure for series starting with [1/3] drm/ttm: use apply_page_range instead of vmf_insert_pfn_prot Patchwork

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