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From: Jonathan Lemon <jonathan.lemon@gmail.com>
To: intel-wired-lan@osuosl.org
Subject: [Intel-wired-lan] [PATCH 00/11] XDP unaligned chunk placement support
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 13:29:02 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <BAE24CBF-416D-4665-B2C9-CE1F5EAE28FF@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f0ca817a-02b4-df22-d01b-7bc07171a4dc@intel.com>



On 28 Jun 2019, at 9:19, Laatz, Kevin wrote:

> On 27/06/2019 22:25, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
>> On Thu, 27 Jun 2019 12:14:50 +0100, Laatz, Kevin wrote:
>>> On the application side (xdpsock), we don't have to worry about the 
>>> user
>>> defined headroom, since it is 0, so we only need to account for the
>>> XDP_PACKET_HEADROOM when computing the original address (in the 
>>> default
>>> scenario).
>> That assumes specific layout for the data inside the buffer.  Some 
>> NICs
>> will prepend information like timestamp to the packet, meaning the
>> packet would start at offset XDP_PACKET_HEADROOM + metadata len..
>
> Yes, if NICs prepend extra data to the packet that would be a problem 
> for
> using this feature in isolation. However, if we also add in support 
> for in-order
> RX and TX rings, that would no longer be an issue. However, even for 
> NICs
> which do prepend data, this patchset should not break anything that is 
> currently
> working.

I read this as "the correct buffer address is recovered from the shadow 
ring".
I'm not sure I'm comfortable with that, and I'm also not sold on 
in-order completion
for the RX/TX rings.



>> I think that's very limiting.  What is the challenge in providing
>> aligned addresses, exactly?
> The challenges are two-fold:
> 1) it prevents using arbitrary buffer sizes, which will be an issue 
> supporting e.g. jumbo frames in future.
> 2) higher level user-space frameworks which may want to use AF_XDP, 
> such as DPDK, do not currently support having buffers with 'fixed' 
> alignment.
> ??? The reason that DPDK uses arbitrary placement is that:
> ??? ??? - it would stop things working on certain NICs which 
> need the actual writable space specified in units of 1k - therefore we 
> need 2k + metadata space.
> ??? ??? - we place padding between buffers to avoid constantly 
> hitting the same memory channels when accessing memory.
> ??? ??? - it allows the application to choose the actual buffer 
> size it wants to use.
> ??? We make use of the above to allow us to speed up processing 
> significantly and also reduce the packet buffer memory size.
>
> ??? Not having arbitrary buffer alignment also means an AF_XDP 
> driver for DPDK cannot be a drop-in replacement for existing drivers 
> in those frameworks. Even with a new capability to allow an arbitrary 
> buffer alignment, existing apps will need to be modified to use that 
> new capability.

Since all buffers in the umem are the same chunk size, the original 
buffer
address can be recalculated with some multiply/shift math.  However, 
this is
more expensive than just a mask operation.
-- 
Jonathan

  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-06-28 20:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-06-20  8:39 [Intel-wired-lan] [PATCH 00/11] XDP unaligned chunk placement support Kevin Laatz
2019-06-20  8:39 ` [Intel-wired-lan] [PATCH 01/11] i40e: simplify Rx buffer recycle Kevin Laatz
2019-06-20  8:39 ` [Intel-wired-lan] [PATCH 02/11] ixgbe: " Kevin Laatz
2019-06-20  8:39 ` [Intel-wired-lan] [PATCH 03/11] xdp: add offset param to zero_copy_allocator Kevin Laatz
2019-06-20  8:39 ` [Intel-wired-lan] [PATCH 04/11] i40e: add offset to zca_free Kevin Laatz
2019-06-20  8:39 ` [Intel-wired-lan] [PATCH 05/11] ixgbe: " Kevin Laatz
2019-06-20  8:39 ` [Intel-wired-lan] [PATCH 06/11] xsk: add support to allow unaligned chunk placement Kevin Laatz
2019-06-20  8:39 ` [Intel-wired-lan] [PATCH 07/11] libbpf: add flags to umem config Kevin Laatz
2019-06-20  8:39 ` [Intel-wired-lan] [PATCH 08/11] samples/bpf: add unaligned chunks mode support to xdpsock Kevin Laatz
2019-06-20  8:39 ` [Intel-wired-lan] [PATCH 09/11] samples/bpf: add buffer recycling for unaligned chunks " Kevin Laatz
2019-06-20  8:39 ` [Intel-wired-lan] [PATCH 10/11] samples/bpf: use hugepages in xdpsock app Kevin Laatz
2019-06-20  8:39 ` [Intel-wired-lan] [PATCH 11/11] doc/af_xdp: include unaligned chunk case Kevin Laatz
2019-06-24 15:38 ` [Intel-wired-lan] [PATCH 00/11] XDP unaligned chunk placement support =?unknown-8bit?q?Bj=C3=B6rn_T=C3=B6pel?=
2019-06-25 13:12   ` Laatz, Kevin
2019-06-25 18:44 ` Jonathan Lemon
2019-06-27 11:14   ` Laatz, Kevin
2019-06-27 21:25     ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-06-28 16:19       ` Laatz, Kevin
2019-06-28 16:51         ` =?unknown-8bit?q?Bj=C3=B6rn_T=C3=B6pel?=
2019-06-28 20:08           ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-06-28 20:25         ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-06-28 20:29         ` Jonathan Lemon [this message]
2019-07-01 14:44           ` Laatz, Kevin
2019-07-01 21:20             ` Jakub Kicinski
2019-07-02  9:27               ` Richardson, Bruce
2019-07-02 16:33                 ` Jonathan Lemon
2019-07-01 14:58           ` Laatz, Kevin
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2019-06-20  9:09 Kevin Laatz

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