From: Michal Swiatkowski <michal.swiatkowski@linux.intel.com>
To: Przemek Kitszel <przemyslaw.kitszel@intel.com>
Cc: Michal Swiatkowski <michal.swiatkowski@linux.intel.com>,
Paul Menzel <pmenzel@molgen.mpg.de>,
intel-wired-lan@lists.osuosl.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
aleksander.lobakin@intel.com, jacob.e.keller@intel.com,
Aleksandr Loktionov <aleksandr.loktionov@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [Intel-wired-lan] [PATCH iwl-next v3] ice: use netif_get_num_default_rss_queues()
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2025 14:17:11 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aQS216HKiUmF0tky@mev-dev.igk.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <621665db-e881-4adc-8caa-9275a4ed7a50@intel.com>
On Thu, Oct 30, 2025 at 11:39:30AM +0100, Przemek Kitszel wrote:
> On 10/30/25 10:37, Michal Swiatkowski wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 30, 2025 at 10:10:32AM +0100, Paul Menzel wrote:
> > > Dear Michal,
> > >
> > >
> > > Thank you for your patch. For the summary, I’d add:
> > >
> > > ice: Use netif_get_num_default_rss_queues() to decrease queue number
>
> I would instead just say:
> ice: cap the default number of queues to 64
>
> as this is exactly what happens. Then next paragraph could be:
> Use netif_get_num_default_rss_queues() as a better base (instead of
> the number of CPU cores), but still cap it to 64 to avoid excess IRQs
> assigned to PF (what would leave, in some cases, nothing for VFs).
>
> sorry for such late nitpicks
> and, see below too
I moved away from capping to 64, now it is just call to
netif_get_num_default_rss_queues(). Following Olek's comment, dividing
by 2 is just fine now and looks like there is no good reasone to cap it
more in the driver, but let's discuss it here if you have different
opinion.
>
> > >
> > > Am 30.10.25 um 09:30 schrieb Michal Swiatkowski:
> > > > On some high-core systems (like AMD EPYC Bergamo, Intel Clearwater
> > > > Forest) loading ice driver with default values can lead to queue/irq
> > > > exhaustion. It will result in no additional resources for SR-IOV.
> > >
> > > Could you please elaborate how to make the queue/irq exhaustion visible?
> > >
> >
> > What do you mean? On high core system, lets say num_online_cpus()
> > returns 288, on 8 ports card we have online 256 irqs per eqch PF (2k in
> > total). Driver will load with the 256 queues (and irqs) on each PF.
> > Any VFs creation command will fail due to no free irqs available.
>
> this clearly means this is a -net material,
> even if this commit will be rather unpleasant for backports to stable
>
In my opinion it isn't. It is just about default values. Still in the
described case user can call ethtool -L and lower the queues to create
VFs without a problem.
> > (echo X > /sys/class/net/ethX/device/sriov_numvfs)
> >
> > > > In most cases there is no performance reason for more than half
> > > > num_cpus(). Limit the default value to it using generic
> > > > netif_get_num_default_rss_queues().
> > > >
> > > > Still, using ethtool the number of queues can be changed up to
> > > > num_online_cpus(). It can be done by calling:
> > > > $ethtool -L ethX combined $(nproc)
> > > >
> > > > This change affects only the default queue amount.
> > >
> > > How would you judge the regression potential, that means for people where
> > > the defaults work good enough, and the queue number is reduced now?
> > >
> >
> > You can take a look into commit that introduce /2 change in
> > netif_get_num_default_rss_queues() [1]. There is a good justification
> > for such situation. In short, heaving physical core number is just a
> > wasting of CPU resources.
> >
> > [1] https://lore.kernel.org/netdev/20220315091832.13873-1-ihuguet@redhat.com/
> >
> [...]
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-10-31 13:19 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-10-30 8:30 [Intel-wired-lan] [PATCH iwl-next v3] ice: use netif_get_num_default_rss_queues() Michal Swiatkowski
2025-10-30 9:10 ` Paul Menzel
2025-10-30 9:37 ` Michal Swiatkowski
2025-10-30 10:39 ` Przemek Kitszel
2025-10-31 13:17 ` Michal Swiatkowski [this message]
2025-11-05 10:14 ` Przemek Kitszel
2025-12-11 8:48 ` Romanowski, Rafal
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