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From: Stanislav Fomichev <sdf.kernel@gmail.com>
To: Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>
Cc: Lorenzo Bianconi <lorenzo@kernel.org>,
	 Donald Hunter <donald.hunter@gmail.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	 Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>, Simon Horman <horms@kernel.org>,
	 Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
	Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	 Jesper Dangaard Brouer <hawk@kernel.org>,
	John Fastabend <john.fastabend@gmail.com>,
	 Stanislav Fomichev <sdf@fomichev.me>,
	Andrew Lunn <andrew+netdev@lunn.ch>,
	 Tony Nguyen <anthony.l.nguyen@intel.com>,
	Przemek Kitszel <przemyslaw.kitszel@intel.com>,
	 Alexander Lobakin <aleksander.lobakin@intel.com>,
	Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>,
	 Martin KaFai Lau <martin.lau@linux.dev>,
	Eduard Zingerman <eddyz87@gmail.com>, Song Liu <song@kernel.org>,
	 Yonghong Song <yonghong.song@linux.dev>,
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	 Maciej Fijalkowski <maciej.fijalkowski@intel.com>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Shuah Khan <skhan@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi <memxor@gmail.com>,
	 Emil Tsalapatis <emil@etsalapatis.com>,
	Vladimir Vdovin <deliran@verdict.gg>,
	 Jakub Sitnicki <jakub@cloudflare.com>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, bpf@vger.kernel.org,
	 intel-wired-lan@lists.osuosl.org,
	linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Intel-wired-lan] [PATCH bpf-next v5 8/8] selftests: net: add test for XDP_PASS skb checksum invalidation
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2026 11:00:07 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <amEEEohxmC8hkBvY@devvm7509.cco0.facebook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260721183256.6f49d6e1@kernel.org>

On 07/21, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Jul 2026 16:03:37 -0700 Stanislav Fomichev wrote:
> > > > For unnecessary, I think the safe expectation is that the bpf program
> > > > will update the value of the checksum in the packet if it touches the data?  
> > > 
> > > Documenting as expected behavior which no driver currently follows 
> > > is a bit silly. I thought the ask was to sketch out the plan of
> > > explicitly updating/invalidating the checksum even if we don't
> > > implement it today?  
> > 
> > This is about current drivers that only report UNNECESSARY with xdp: the xdp
> > prog has to maintain in-packet checksum if it changes the payload. I think
> > it's a fair assumption?
> 
> What about decap? If we decap the header that device validated 
> as UNNECESSARY there's no possibility of maintaining the checksum
> (by which IIUC you mean correcting it in along the payload changes).
> 
> I think we'd need some API to "decrement the csum level" ?
> Or some heuristic in the drivers to decrement if the head moved
> by at least len(IP+UDP) into the packet ?

True :-/ I guess one more case to document?

> > In terms of documentation, here is what I have on my side, lmk if that makes
> > sense, roughly:
> > 
> > - TODAY
> >   - some drivers (correctly) disable reporting COMPLETE when XDP is attached
> >     - the xdp program has to modify the packet checksum value if it
> >       changes the payload
> >   - some drivers (incorrectly?) report COMPLETE for xdp-to-skb path -> unsafe,
> >     needs to be fixed
> >     - updating the payload doesn't update skb->csum, so the safest
> >       option right now is to only do UNNECESSARY with xdp for all drivers
> 
> Yes, that sounds fair.
> 
> >   - the hw test needs to make sure that the csum is either
> >     NONE or UNNECESSARY, and will error out on COMPLETE
> 
> Driver can report COMPLETE to XDP, just not to the stack.
> I think we can use a tracepoint (bpftrace) or attach in TCP
> to check the skb state?

No strong opinion on this, it seems easier to report the same to both
xdp and bpf (at least initially)

  reply	other threads:[~2026-07-22 18:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-07-15 21:39 [Intel-wired-lan] [PATCH bpf-next v5 0/8] Add the the capability to load HW RX checksum in eBPF programs Lorenzo Bianconi
2026-07-15 21:39 ` [Intel-wired-lan] [PATCH bpf-next v5 1/8] netlink: specs: add XDP RX checksum capability to XDP metadata specs Lorenzo Bianconi
2026-07-15 22:24   ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-07-21 15:21   ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-07-15 21:39 ` [Intel-wired-lan] [PATCH bpf-next v5 2/8] net: veth: add xmo_rx_checksum callback to veth driver Lorenzo Bianconi
2026-07-15 21:39 ` [Intel-wired-lan] [PATCH bpf-next v5 3/8] net: ice: add xmo_rx_checksum callback Lorenzo Bianconi
2026-07-15 21:39 ` [Intel-wired-lan] [PATCH bpf-next v5 4/8] selftests/bpf: add selftest support for bpf_xdp_metadata_rx_checksum Lorenzo Bianconi
2026-07-15 21:39 ` [Intel-wired-lan] [PATCH bpf-next v5 5/8] selftests/bpf: add bpf_xdp_metadata_rx_checksum support to xdp_hw_metadat prog Lorenzo Bianconi
2026-07-15 21:39 ` [Intel-wired-lan] [PATCH bpf-next v5 6/8] net: add bpf_skb_rx_checksum kfunc to read skb checksum metadata Lorenzo Bianconi
2026-07-15 21:39 ` [Intel-wired-lan] [PATCH bpf-next v5 7/8] selftests/bpf: Add test for bpf_skb_rx_checksum kfunc Lorenzo Bianconi
2026-07-15 21:39 ` [Intel-wired-lan] [PATCH bpf-next v5 8/8] selftests: net: add test for XDP_PASS skb checksum invalidation Lorenzo Bianconi
2026-07-16 12:30   ` Stanislav Fomichev
2026-07-16 16:06     ` Lorenzo Bianconi
2026-07-20 19:32       ` Stanislav Fomichev
2026-07-20 22:08         ` Lorenzo Bianconi
2026-07-21 15:27         ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-07-21 23:03           ` Stanislav Fomichev
2026-07-22  1:32             ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-07-22 18:00               ` Stanislav Fomichev [this message]
2026-07-22 18:35                 ` Jakub Kicinski
2026-07-22 20:40                   ` Stanislav Fomichev

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