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From: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
To: Keith Busch <kbusch@kernel.org>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>, Keith Busch <kbusch@meta.com>,
	linux-block@vger.kernel.org, linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org,
	axboe@kernel.dk, io-uring@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, joshi.k@samsung.com,
	javier.gonz@samsung.com, Nitesh Shetty <nj.shetty@samsung.com>,
	Hannes Reinecke <hare@suse.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCHv8 1/6] block, fs: restore kiocb based write hint processing
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2024 08:43:09 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20241022064309.GA11161@lst.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZxZ3o_HzN8HN6QPK@kbusch-mbp>

On Mon, Oct 21, 2024 at 09:47:47AM -0600, Keith Busch wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 18, 2024 at 07:50:32AM +0200, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 17, 2024 at 09:09:32AM -0700, Keith Busch wrote:
> > >  {
> > >  	*kiocb = (struct kiocb) {
> > >  		.ki_filp = filp,
> > >  		.ki_flags = filp->f_iocb_flags,
> > >  		.ki_ioprio = get_current_ioprio(),
> > > +		.ki_write_hint = file_write_hint(filp),
> > 
> > And we'll need to distinguish between the per-inode and per file
> > hint.  I.e. don't blindly initialize ki_write_hint to the per-inode
> > one here, but make that conditional in the file operation.
> 
> Maybe someone wants to do direct-io with partions where each partition
> has a different default "hint" when not provided a per-io hint? I don't
> know of such a case, but it doesn't sound terrible. In any case, I feel
> if you're directing writes through these interfaces, you get to keep all
> the pieces: user space controls policy, kernel just provides the
> mechanisms to do it.

Eww.  You actually pointed out a real problem here: if a device
has multiple partitions the write streams as of this series are
shared by them, which breaks their use case as the applications or
file systems in different partitions will get other users of the
write stream randomly overlayed onto theirs.

So either the available streams need to be split into smaller pools
by partitions, or we just assigned them to the first partition to
make these scheme work for partitioned devices.

Either way mixing up the per-inode hint and the dynamic one remains
a bad idea.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-10-22  6:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-10-17 16:09 [PATCHv8 0/6] write hints for nvme fdp Keith Busch
2024-10-17 16:09 ` [PATCHv8 1/6] block, fs: restore kiocb based write hint processing Keith Busch
2024-10-18  5:50   ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-21 15:47     ` Keith Busch
2024-10-21 17:09       ` Bart Van Assche
2024-10-21 19:35         ` Keith Busch
2024-10-22  6:43       ` Christoph Hellwig [this message]
2024-10-22 14:37         ` Keith Busch
2024-10-22 14:40           ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-18 16:11   ` Bart Van Assche
2024-10-17 16:09 ` [PATCHv8 2/6] block: use generic u16 for write hints Keith Busch
2024-10-18  5:46   ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-24 19:45     ` Keith Busch
2024-10-25 12:20       ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-18  6:00   ` Hannes Reinecke
2024-10-18 16:12   ` Bart Van Assche
2024-10-21 15:03     ` Keith Busch
2024-10-17 16:09 ` [PATCHv8 3/6] block: introduce max_write_hints queue limit Keith Busch
2024-10-18  5:51   ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-18  6:01   ` Hannes Reinecke
2024-10-18 16:18   ` Bart Van Assche
2024-10-21 15:02     ` Keith Busch
2024-10-17 16:09 ` [PATCHv8 4/6] fs: introduce per-io hint support flag Keith Busch
2024-10-18  5:52   ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-18  6:03   ` Hannes Reinecke
2024-10-17 16:09 ` [PATCHv8 5/6] io_uring: enable per-io hinting capability Keith Busch
2024-10-18  5:53   ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-10-18  6:03   ` Hannes Reinecke
2024-10-17 16:09 ` [PATCHv8 6/6] nvme: enable FDP support Keith Busch
2024-10-18 10:48   ` Kanchan Joshi
2024-10-21 15:08     ` Keith Busch

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