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From: Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>
To: kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com
Cc: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	Brad Spengler <spender@grsecurity.net>,
	PaX Team <pageexec@freemail.hu>,
	Casey Schaufler <casey.schaufler@intel.com>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Joonsoo Kim <iamjoonsoo.kim@lge.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [kernel-hardening] Re: [PATCH v2 2/4] usercopy: avoid direct copying to userspace
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 21:08:34 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1465607314.16365.181.camel@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGXu5j+d1nWs=HjMudPx9P=rbE5dSs3on3Gex=UeBcBNB7pEgA@mail.gmail.com>

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On Fri, 2016-06-10 at 14:09 -0700, Kees Cook wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 2:11 PM, Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
> wrote:
> > 
> > Some non-whitelisted heap memory has small areas that need to be
> > copied
> > to userspace. For these cases, explicitly copy the needed contents
> > out
> > to stack first before sending to userspace. This lets their
> > respective
> > caches remain un-whitelisted (i.e. no SLAB_USERCOPY), since the
> > bulk of
> > their contents should not be exposed to userspace.
> I've spent some time thinking about these kinds of
> non-whitelisted-slab-workaround changes, and I would like to see if
> we
> can design a better solution. So, to that end, here's what I see:
> 
> - HARDENED_USERCOPY verifies object addresses and sizes
> - whitelisted caches (via HARDENED_USERCOPY_WHITELIST's
> SLAB_USERCOPY)
> are intentionally rare
> - Some code uses small parts of non-whitelisted cache memory for
> userspace work (I think the auxv ("mm_struct") and signal frames
> ("task_struct") are good examples of this: neither cache should be
> entirely exposed to userspace, yet tiny pieces are sent to
> userspace.)
> - non-whitelist-workarounds are open-coded
> - non-whitelist-workarounds require a double-copy
> - non-whitelist-workarounds have explicit size maximums (e.g.
> AT_VECTOR_SIZE, sizeof(sigset_t))
> - non-whitelist-workarounds _bypass_ HARDENED_USERCOPY object address
> checking
> 
> So, while the workarounds do have a max-size sanity-check, they
> actually lack the object address checking that would normally happen
> with the usercopy checks. I think to solve the open-coding and
> double-copy problems without compromising on the whitelisting or the
> explicit size checking, we could also gain back the address checking
> if we created something like:
> 
> copy_to_user_n(user, kernel, dynamic-size, const-max-size);
> 
> If "const-max-size" isn't detected as a builtin_constant it could
> fail
> to build. When run, it would a) verify dynamic-size wasn't larger
> that
> const-max-size, and b) perform the regular usercopy checks (without
> the SLAB_USERCOPY check).
> 
> So, for the auxv example, instead of the new stack variable, the
> memcpy, etc, it could just be a one-line change replacing the
> existing
> copy_to_user() call:
> 
> copy_to_user_n(sp, elf_info, ei_index * sizeof(elf_addr_t),
> AT_VECTOR_SIZE);
> 
> (Bike-shedding: copy_to_user_bounded(), ..._limited(),
> ..._whitelist_hole(), ?)
> 
> What do people think?

I like your idea a lot.

For some kinds of objects, we could go one further.

Eg. for objects we know to be in the slab, we could use
copy_to_user_slab, and fail the copy if the pointer is
not a slab object.

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  reply	other threads:[~2016-06-11  1:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-06-08 21:11 [kernel-hardening] [RFC][PATCH v2 0/4] mm: Hardened usercopy Kees Cook
2016-06-08 21:11 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH v2 1/4] " Kees Cook
2016-06-09  0:47   ` [kernel-hardening] " Brad Spengler
2016-06-09  1:39     ` Rik van Riel
2016-06-09  2:58     ` Kees Cook
2016-07-12 23:04   ` Kees Cook
2016-06-08 21:11 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH v2 2/4] usercopy: avoid direct copying to userspace Kees Cook
2016-06-09 23:37   ` [kernel-hardening] " Rik van Riel
2016-06-10 21:09   ` Kees Cook
2016-06-11  1:08     ` Rik van Riel [this message]
2016-06-08 21:11 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH v2 3/4] usercopy: whitelist user-copyable caches Kees Cook
2016-06-08 21:11 ` [kernel-hardening] [PATCH v2 4/4] usercopy: provide split of user-controlled slabs Kees Cook
2016-06-09  3:02 ` [kernel-hardening] [RFC][PATCH v2 5/4] arm: fixes for usercopy Kees Cook
2016-06-09 15:35 ` [kernel-hardening] RE: [RFC][PATCH v2 0/4] mm: Hardened usercopy Schaufler, Casey
2016-06-09 17:48   ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2016-06-09 23:39 ` [kernel-hardening] [RFC][PATCH 6/4] mm: disallow user copy to/from separately allocated pages Rik van Riel
2016-06-10 19:44   ` [kernel-hardening] [RFC][PATCH v2 " Rik van Riel
2016-06-10 20:46     ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2016-06-24 20:53     ` Kees Cook
2016-06-24 20:57       ` Rik van Riel
2016-06-24 20:59         ` Kees Cook
2016-06-16  1:30 ` [kernel-hardening] [RFC][PATCH v2 0/4] mm: Hardened usercopy Valdis.Kletnieks
2016-06-16  1:38   ` Kees Cook
2016-06-16 23:36     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2016-06-17  1:38       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2016-06-18 19:30         ` Kees Cook

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