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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Vasiliy Kulikov <segoon@openwall.com>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>,
	Namhyung Kim <namhyung@gmail.com>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de>,
	kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: [kernel-hardening] Re: [PATCH v2] kernel: escape non-ASCII and control characters in printk()
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 14:00:59 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110701120059.GL20990@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTikyzxXgfFuwBRdDLvrRN4+fExMwWA@mail.gmail.com>


* Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:

> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Vasiliy Kulikov <segoon@openwall.com> wrote:
> >
> > Sure, I don't propose it anymore (v2 goes without it).
> 
> What point would you like to filter things at?
> 
> I really think that user space should do its own filtering - nobody
> does a plain 'cat' on dmesg. Or if they do, they really have
> themselves to blame.
> 
> And afaik, we don't do any escape sequence handling at the console
> level either, so you cannot mess up the console with control
> characters.
> 
> And the most dangerous character seems to be one that you don't
> filter: the one we really do react to is '\n', and you could possibly
> make confusing log messages by embedding a newline in your string and
> then trying to make the rest look like something bad (say, an oops).
> 
> So I'm not entirely convinced about this filtering at all.

Yeah. It would be nice to see a demonstration of at least one 'bad 
thing' that is possible via the current code, before we protect 
against it.

The claim the patch makes is rather specific:

 | There are numerous printk() instances with user supplied input as 
 | "%s" data, and unprivileged user may craft log messages with 
 | substrings containing control characters via these printk()s.  
 | Control characters might fool root viewing the logs via tty, e.g. 
 | using ^[1A to suppress the previous log line.

So it ought to be demonstrable.

Thanks,

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2011-07-01 12:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-06-23 15:21 [kernel-hardening] [PATCH v2] kernel: escape non-ASCII and control characters in printk() Vasiliy Kulikov
2011-06-26 10:39 ` [kernel-hardening] " Ingo Molnar
2011-06-26 16:54   ` Vasiliy Kulikov
2011-06-26 18:26     ` Ingo Molnar
2011-06-26 19:06       ` Vasiliy Kulikov
2011-06-26 19:46         ` Ingo Molnar
2011-06-26 20:25           ` Vasiliy Kulikov
2011-06-26 22:01             ` Ingo Molnar
2011-06-27  8:36               ` Vasiliy Kulikov
2011-06-27  9:20                 ` Vasiliy Kulikov
2011-06-27  9:40                 ` Alan Cox
2011-06-27 18:38                   ` Vasiliy Kulikov
2011-06-28 19:30                     ` Linus Torvalds
2011-07-01 12:00                       ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2011-07-01 12:54                         ` Vasiliy Kulikov
2011-07-01 14:20                           ` Alan Cox
2011-07-02 16:42                             ` Solar Designer
2011-07-02 19:33                               ` Alan Cox
2011-07-02 20:34                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-07-01 14:37                       ` Vasiliy Kulikov
2011-07-01 14:49                         ` Alan Cox
2011-07-02  8:10                           ` Vasiliy Kulikov
2011-07-02 15:08                             ` Greg KH
2011-07-03 10:01                           ` Vasiliy Kulikov
2011-07-03 11:42                             ` Vasiliy Kulikov
2011-07-03 12:23                             ` Alan Cox
2011-07-03 17:42                             ` Linus Torvalds
2011-07-03 21:10                               ` Alan Cox
2011-07-03 21:34                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-07-05 17:49                               ` Vasiliy Kulikov
2011-07-01 12:12                 ` Ingo Molnar

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