From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: Thomas Garnier <thgarnie@google.com>
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Subject: [kernel-hardening] Re: x86: PIE support and option to extend KASLR randomization
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2017 17:59:19 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170921155919.skpyt7dutod5ul4t@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJcbSZH6hwaWKrvUZR33ExYaZaWKMSv4tJJA3yZkniLvLbTFMw@mail.gmail.com>
( Sorry about the delay in answering this. I could blame the delay on the merge
window, but in reality I've been procrastinating this is due to the permanent,
non-trivial impact PIE has on generated C code. )
* Thomas Garnier <thgarnie@google.com> wrote:
> 1) PIE sometime needs two instructions to represent a single
> instruction on mcmodel=kernel.
What again is the typical frequency of this occurring in an x86-64 defconfig
kernel, with the very latest GCC?
Also, to make sure: which unwinder did you use for your measurements,
frame-pointers or ORC? Please use ORC only for future numbers, as
frame-pointers is obsolete from a performance measurement POV.
> 2) GCC does not optimize switches in PIE in order to reduce relocations:
Hopefully this can either be fixed in GCC or at least influenced via a compiler
switch in the future.
> The switches are the biggest increase on small functions but I don't
> think they represent a large portion of the difference (number 1 is).
Ok.
> A side note, while testing gcc 7.2.0 on hackbench I have seen the PIE
> kernel being faster by 1% across multiple runs (comparing 50 runs done
> across 5 reboots twice). I don't think PIE is faster than a
> mcmodel=kernel but recent versions of gcc makes them fairly similar.
So I think we are down to an overhead range where the inherent noise (both random
and systematic one) in 'hackbench' overwhelms the signal we are trying to measure.
So I think it's the kernel .text size change that is the best noise-free proxy for
the overhead impact of PIE.
It doesn't hurt to double check actual real performance as well, just don't expect
there to be much of a signal for anything but fully cached microbenchmark
workloads.
Thanks,
Ingo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-09-21 15:59 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-08-10 17:25 [kernel-hardening] x86: PIE support and option to extend KASLR randomization Thomas Garnier
2017-08-10 17:25 ` [kernel-hardening] [RFC v2 01/23] x86/crypto: Adapt assembly for PIE support Thomas Garnier
2017-08-10 17:25 ` [kernel-hardening] [RFC v2 02/23] x86: Use symbol name on bug table " Thomas Garnier
2017-08-10 17:25 ` [kernel-hardening] [RFC v2 03/23] x86: Use symbol name in jump " Thomas Garnier
2017-08-10 17:25 ` [kernel-hardening] [RFC v2 04/23] x86: Add macro to get symbol address " Thomas Garnier
2017-08-10 17:25 ` [kernel-hardening] [RFC v2 05/23] xen: Adapt assembly " Thomas Garnier
2017-08-10 17:25 ` [kernel-hardening] [RFC v2 06/23] kvm: " Thomas Garnier
2017-08-10 17:25 ` [kernel-hardening] [RFC v2 07/23] x86: relocate_kernel - " Thomas Garnier
2017-08-10 17:26 ` [kernel-hardening] [RFC v2 08/23] x86/entry/64: " Thomas Garnier
2017-08-10 17:26 ` [kernel-hardening] [RFC v2 09/23] x86: pm-trace - " Thomas Garnier
2017-08-10 17:26 ` [kernel-hardening] [RFC v2 10/23] x86/CPU: " Thomas Garnier
2017-08-10 17:26 ` [kernel-hardening] [RFC v2 11/23] x86/acpi: " Thomas Garnier
2017-08-10 17:26 ` [kernel-hardening] [RFC v2 12/23] x86/boot/64: " Thomas Garnier
2017-08-10 17:26 ` [kernel-hardening] [RFC v2 13/23] x86/power/64: " Thomas Garnier
2017-08-11 12:36 ` [kernel-hardening] " Pavel Machek
2017-08-11 15:09 ` Thomas Garnier
2017-08-10 17:26 ` [kernel-hardening] [RFC v2 14/23] x86/paravirt: " Thomas Garnier
2017-08-10 17:26 ` [kernel-hardening] [RFC v2 15/23] x86/boot/64: Use _text in a global " Thomas Garnier
2017-08-10 17:26 ` [kernel-hardening] [RFC v2 16/23] x86/percpu: Adapt percpu " Thomas Garnier
2017-08-10 17:26 ` [kernel-hardening] [RFC v2 17/23] compiler: Option to default to hidden symbols Thomas Garnier
2017-08-10 17:26 ` [kernel-hardening] [RFC v2 18/23] x86/relocs: Handle DYN relocations for PIE support Thomas Garnier
2017-08-10 17:26 ` [kernel-hardening] [RFC v2 19/23] x86: Support global stack cookie Thomas Garnier
2017-08-10 17:26 ` [kernel-hardening] [RFC v2 20/23] x86/pie: Add option to build the kernel as PIE for x86_64 Thomas Garnier
2017-08-10 17:26 ` [kernel-hardening] [RFC v2 21/23] x86/relocs: Add option to generate 64-bit relocations Thomas Garnier
2017-08-10 17:26 ` [kernel-hardening] [RFC v2 22/23] x86/module: Add support for mcmodel large and PLTs Thomas Garnier
2017-08-10 17:26 ` [kernel-hardening] [RFC v2 23/23] x86/kaslr: Add option to extend KASLR range from 1GB to 3GB Thomas Garnier
2017-08-11 12:41 ` [kernel-hardening] Re: x86: PIE support and option to extend KASLR randomization Ingo Molnar
2017-08-11 15:09 ` Thomas Garnier
2017-08-15 7:56 ` Ingo Molnar
2017-08-15 12:15 ` Jordan Glover
2017-08-15 13:42 ` Rik van Riel
2017-08-15 14:20 ` Thomas Garnier
2017-08-15 14:47 ` Daniel Micay
2017-08-15 14:58 ` Thomas Garnier
2017-08-16 15:12 ` Ingo Molnar
2017-08-16 16:09 ` Christopher Lameter
2017-08-16 16:26 ` Daniel Micay
2017-08-16 16:32 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2017-08-16 16:57 ` Thomas Garnier
2017-08-17 8:09 ` Ingo Molnar
2017-08-17 14:10 ` Thomas Garnier
2017-08-24 21:13 ` Thomas Garnier
2017-08-24 21:42 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-08-25 15:35 ` Thomas Garnier
2017-08-25 1:07 ` Steven Rostedt
2017-08-25 8:04 ` Ingo Molnar
2017-08-25 15:05 ` Thomas Garnier
2017-08-29 19:34 ` Thomas Garnier
2017-09-21 15:59 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2017-09-21 16:10 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2017-09-21 21:21 ` Thomas Garnier
2017-09-22 4:24 ` Markus Trippelsdorf
2017-09-22 14:38 ` Thomas Garnier
2017-09-22 23:55 ` Thomas Garnier
2017-09-21 21:16 ` Thomas Garnier
2017-09-22 0:06 ` Thomas Garnier
2017-09-22 16:32 ` Ingo Molnar
2017-09-22 18:08 ` Thomas Garnier
2017-09-23 9:43 ` Ingo Molnar
2017-10-02 20:28 ` Thomas Garnier
2017-09-22 18:38 ` H. Peter Anvin
2017-09-22 18:57 ` Kees Cook
2017-09-22 19:06 ` H. Peter Anvin
2017-09-22 18:59 ` Thomas Garnier
2017-09-23 9:49 ` Ingo Molnar
2017-08-17 14:12 ` Boris Lukashev
2017-08-25 15:38 ` Christopher Lameter
2017-08-27 22:39 ` Boris Lukashev
2017-08-28 9:59 ` Pavel Machek
2017-08-21 13:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-21 14:28 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-09-22 18:27 ` H. Peter Anvin
2017-09-23 10:00 ` Ingo Molnar
2017-09-24 22:37 ` Pavel Machek
2017-09-25 7:33 ` Ingo Molnar
2017-10-06 10:39 ` Pavel Machek
2017-10-20 8:13 ` Ingo Molnar
2017-08-21 14:31 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-08-21 15:57 ` Thomas Garnier
2017-08-28 1:26 ` H. Peter Anvin
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2017-07-18 22:33 [kernel-hardening] " Thomas Garnier
2017-07-19 14:08 ` [kernel-hardening] " Christopher Lameter
2017-07-19 19:21 ` Kees Cook
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