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* Error : Linux-2.6.27
@ 2008-10-10  8:26 Yudha Harimantoro T
       [not found] ` <264b990a0810100126l1029f734x7204f8c42ae21609-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Yudha Harimantoro T @ 2008-10-10  8:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: kernel-testers-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA

Hi all,

Yesterday I build kernel 2.6.26.6 and it's run well. Today I got
2.6.27 patch and try to build it.

I build with `make oldconfig` and answer any question with default
answer, I just press [enter].
I build with `make`. No error and all compiled.
Then I install with `make modules_install` and `make install`.

After reboot the system I got 'kernel panic'.
This is the error picture :
http://www.ryht.co.cc/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/pa101358.jpg
Is it a bugs?

http://www.ryht.co.cc/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/pa101353.jpg
[2.6.26.6 run well]



Best regards,
Yudha_HT

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* Re: Error : Linux-2.6.27
       [not found] ` <264b990a0810100126l1029f734x7204f8c42ae21609-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
@ 2008-10-10 11:53   ` Alexey Dobriyan
       [not found]     ` <20081010115342.GB25982-2ev+ksY9ol182hYKe6nXyg@public.gmane.org>
  2008-10-10 20:41   ` Bill Davidsen
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Alexey Dobriyan @ 2008-10-10 11:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Yudha Harimantoro T
  Cc: kernel-testers-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA

On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 03:26:44PM +0700, Yudha Harimantoro T wrote:
> Yesterday I build kernel 2.6.26.6 and it's run well. Today I got
> 2.6.27 patch and try to build it.
> 
> I build with `make oldconfig` and answer any question with default
> answer, I just press [enter].

Not wise.

> I build with `make`. No error and all compiled.
> Then I install with `make modules_install` and `make install`.
> 
> After reboot the system I got 'kernel panic'.
> This is the error picture :
> http://www.ryht.co.cc/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/pa101358.jpg
> Is it a bugs?
> 
> http://www.ryht.co.cc/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/pa101353.jpg
> [2.6.26.6 run well]

Post diff -U0 between old and new config.

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* Re: Error : Linux-2.6.27
       [not found]     ` <20081010115342.GB25982-2ev+ksY9ol182hYKe6nXyg@public.gmane.org>
@ 2008-10-10 12:36       ` Alan Jenkins
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: Alan Jenkins @ 2008-10-10 12:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Alexey Dobriyan
  Cc: Yudha Harimantoro T, kernel-testers-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA

Alexey Dobriyan wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 03:26:44PM +0700, Yudha Harimantoro T wrote:
>   
>> Yesterday I build kernel 2.6.26.6 and it's run well. Today I got
>> 2.6.27 patch and try to build it.
>>
>> I build with `make oldconfig` and answer any question with default
>> answer, I just press [enter].
>>     
>
> Not wise.
>
>   
>> I build with `make`. No error and all compiled.
>> Then I install with `make modules_install` and `make install`.
>>
>> After reboot the system I got 'kernel panic'.
>> This is the error picture :
>> http://www.ryht.co.cc/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/pa101358.jpg
>> Is it a bugs?
>>
>> http://www.ryht.co.cc/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/pa101353.jpg
>> [2.6.26.6 run well]
>>     
>
> Post diff -U0 between old and new config.
>   

There is scripts/diffconfig in the 2.6.27 tree, which you should
probably use. "Using standard diff to compare .config files often
includes extraneous and distracting information".

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* Re: Error : Linux-2.6.27
       [not found] ` <264b990a0810100126l1029f734x7204f8c42ae21609-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
  2008-10-10 11:53   ` Alexey Dobriyan
@ 2008-10-10 20:41   ` Bill Davidsen
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: Bill Davidsen @ 2008-10-10 20:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Yudha Harimantoro T
  Cc: public-kernel-testers-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA-z5DuStaUktnZ+VzJOa5vwg,
	public-linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA-z5DuStaUktnZ+VzJOa5vwg



Yudha Harimantoro T wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Yesterday I build kernel 2.6.26.6 and it's run well. Today I got
> 2.6.27 patch and try to build it.
> 
> I build with `make oldconfig` and answer any question with default
> answer, I just press [enter].
> I build with `make`. No error and all compiled.
> Then I install with `make modules_install` and `make install`.
> 
I realize that this is a low-probability thought, but did you:
- apply the patch against 2.6.26 NOT 2.6.26.6
- run make clean before applying the patch

> After reboot the system I got 'kernel panic'.
> This is the error picture :
> http://www.ryht.co.cc/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/pa101358.jpg
> Is it a bugs?
> 
> http://www.ryht.co.cc/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/pa101353.jpg
> [2.6.26.6 run well]
> 
I keep configs in a separate place. I would first copy a 2.6.26 tree to a new 
directory (cp -rl linux-2.6.26 linux2.6.27) then be sure I had a clean copy with 
"make distclean" (or "make mrproper") and then apply the 2.6.27 patch. Then I 
would copy the 2.6.26 (or maybe 2.6.26.6) config to .config, and make the oldconfig.

None of that is magic, it just keeps me from making common mistakes, lets me 
start with a clean 2.6.27, etc, etc.

You mentioned oldconfig, but not starting back with a clean 2.6.26, which made 
me think of this.

-- 
Bill Davidsen <davidsen-sQDSfeB7uhw@public.gmane.org>
   "We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from
the machinations of the wicked."  - from Slashdot

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* Re: Error : Linux-2.6.27
       [not found] <6966154.1481223935318911.JavaMail.root@zimbra>
@ 2008-10-13 22:03 ` Zaharov D.A.
  2008-10-14 17:09   ` Aioanei Rares
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Zaharov D.A. @ 2008-10-13 22:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Yudha Harimantoro T, kernel-testers-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA

Show your loader config.
How much drive attach?
And ceck your drive detect in proper order.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Yudha Harimantoro T" <yudha.ht-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
To: kernel-testers-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org, linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 8:26:44 PM (GMT+1100) Auto-Detected
Subject: Error : Linux-2.6.27

Hi all,

Yesterday I build kernel 2.6.26.6 and it's run well. Today I got
2.6.27 patch and try to build it.

I build with `make oldconfig` and answer any question with default
answer, I just press [enter].
I build with `make`. No error and all compiled.
Then I install with `make modules_install` and `make install`.

After reboot the system I got 'kernel panic'.
This is the error picture :
http://www.ryht.co.cc/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/pa101358.jpg
Is it a bugs?

http://www.ryht.co.cc/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/pa101353.jpg
[2.6.26.6 run well]



Best regards,
Yudha_HT
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* Re: Error : Linux-2.6.27
  2008-10-13 22:03 ` Error : Linux-2.6.27 Zaharov D.A.
@ 2008-10-14 17:09   ` Aioanei Rares
       [not found]     ` <48F4D24A.5070400-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Aioanei Rares @ 2008-10-14 17:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Zaharov D.A.; +Cc: Yudha Harimantoro T, kernel-testers-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA

Zaharov D.A. wrote:
> Show your loader config.
> How much drive attach?
> And ceck your drive detect in proper order.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Yudha Harimantoro T" <yudha.ht-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
> To: kernel-testers-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org, linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 8:26:44 PM (GMT+1100) Auto-Detected
> Subject: Error : Linux-2.6.27
>
> Hi all,
>
> Yesterday I build kernel 2.6.26.6 and it's run well. Today I got
> 2.6.27 patch and try to build it.
>
> I build with `make oldconfig` and answer any question with default
> answer, I just press [enter].
> I build with `make`. No error and all compiled.
> Then I install with `make modules_install` and `make install`.
>
> After reboot the system I got 'kernel panic'.
> This is the error picture :
> http://www.ryht.co.cc/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/pa101358.jpg
> Is it a bugs?
>
> http://www.ryht.co.cc/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/pa101353.jpg
> [2.6.26.6 run well]
>
>
>
> Best regards,
> Yudha_HT
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>
>   
How about you do what the error message says? Try booting with init=3 
for example and see if it boots.

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* Re: Error : Linux-2.6.27
       [not found]     ` <48F4D24A.5070400-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
@ 2008-10-14 19:45       ` Alan Jenkins
       [not found]         ` <48F4F6CA.9040103-cCz0Lq7MMjm9FHfhHBbuYA@public.gmane.org>
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: Alan Jenkins @ 2008-10-14 19:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Aioanei Rares
  Cc: Zaharov D.A., Yudha Harimantoro T,
	kernel-testers-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA

Aioanei Rares wrote:
> Zaharov D.A. wrote:
>> Show your loader config.
>> How much drive attach?
>> And ceck your drive detect in proper order.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Yudha Harimantoro T" <yudha.ht-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
>> To: kernel-testers-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org, linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
>> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 8:26:44 PM (GMT+1100) Auto-Detected
>> Subject: Error : Linux-2.6.27
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Yesterday I build kernel 2.6.26.6 and it's run well. Today I got
>> 2.6.27 patch and try to build it.
>>
>> I build with `make oldconfig` and answer any question with default
>> answer, I just press [enter].
>> I build with `make`. No error and all compiled.
>> Then I install with `make modules_install` and `make install`.
>>
>> After reboot the system I got 'kernel panic'.
>> This is the error picture :
>> http://www.ryht.co.cc/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/pa101358.jpg
>> Is it a bugs?
>>
>> http://www.ryht.co.cc/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/pa101353.jpg
>> [2.6.26.6 run well]
>>
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Yudha_HT
>> -- 
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>> linux-kernel" in
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>>   
> How about you do what the error message says? Try booting with init=3 
> for example and see if it boots.

That won't help.  It wants the path to the init program - the first 
default is init=/sbin/init.  Probably it has mounted the wrong 
filesystem as root - so it can't find /sbin/init.

Alan

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* Re: Error : Linux-2.6.27
       [not found]         ` <48F4F6CA.9040103-cCz0Lq7MMjm9FHfhHBbuYA@public.gmane.org>
@ 2008-10-15  5:59           ` rajeev kumar
       [not found]             ` <df3f2abe0810142259m75c7f3a1ue8d8f9c1ed171ed5-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread
From: rajeev kumar @ 2008-10-15  5:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Alan Jenkins
  Cc: Aioanei Rares, Zaharov D.A., Yudha Harimantoro T,
	kernel-testers-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA

Hi i got followoing error when after compiling 2.6.26 and booting it.
waiting for root file system :

Then it dropped me to initramfs shell. Is there any way to boot the
kernel without any need of initram

Also i have:

intel 945 series mother board
SATA 80 GB HardDisk.
Debian 4.0(2.6.18) preinstalled.

Regards
Rajeev Kumar



On 10/15/08, Alan Jenkins <alan-jenkins-cCz0Lq7MMjm9FHfhHBbuYA@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> Aioanei Rares wrote:
>> Zaharov D.A. wrote:
>>> Show your loader config.
>>> How much drive attach?
>>> And ceck your drive detect in proper order.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Yudha Harimantoro T" <yudha.ht-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
>>> To: kernel-testers-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org, linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
>>> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 8:26:44 PM (GMT+1100) Auto-Detected
>>> Subject: Error : Linux-2.6.27
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Yesterday I build kernel 2.6.26.6 and it's run well. Today I got
>>> 2.6.27 patch and try to build it.
>>>
>>> I build with `make oldconfig` and answer any question with default
>>> answer, I just press [enter].
>>> I build with `make`. No error and all compiled.
>>> Then I install with `make modules_install` and `make install`.
>>>
>>> After reboot the system I got 'kernel panic'.
>>> This is the error picture :
>>> http://www.ryht.co.cc/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/pa101358.jpg
>>> Is it a bugs?
>>>
>>> http://www.ryht.co.cc/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/pa101353.jpg
>>> [2.6.26.6 run well]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Yudha_HT
>>> --
>>> To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe
>>> linux-kernel" in
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>>>
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>>>
>>>
>> How about you do what the error message says? Try booting with init=3
>> for example and see if it boots.
>
> That won't help.  It wants the path to the init program - the first
> default is init=/sbin/init.  Probably it has mounted the wrong
> filesystem as root - so it can't find /sbin/init.
>
> Alan
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* Re: Error : Linux-2.6.27
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@ 2008-10-16  6:16               ` Yudha Harimantoro T
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread
From: Yudha Harimantoro T @ 2008-10-16  6:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: rajeev kumar
  Cc: Alan Jenkins, Aioanei Rares, Zaharov D.A.,
	kernel-testers-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA

Hi all,

Thx for all your respons.
I have compile 2.6.27 patched with patch-2.6.27.1.bz2 successfully
with slackware huge-smp config. And its run well.

I don't know what difference between 2.6.26 and 2.6.27 tree. My config
for 2.6.26 can't compile for 2.6.27. I thing it's about the device
driver for SATA for my computer.


Best regards,
Yudha_HT

2008/10/15, rajeev kumar <rajeevcoder.cusat.mca-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>:
> Hi i got followoing error when after compiling 2.6.26 and booting it.
> waiting for root file system :
>
> Then it dropped me to initramfs shell. Is there any way to boot the
> kernel without any need of initram
>
> Also i have:
>
> intel 945 series mother board
> SATA 80 GB HardDisk.
> Debian 4.0(2.6.18) preinstalled.
>
> Regards
> Rajeev Kumar
>
>
>
> On 10/15/08, Alan Jenkins <alan-jenkins-cCz0Lq7MMjm9FHfhHBbuYA@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>> Aioanei Rares wrote:
>>> Zaharov D.A. wrote:
>>>> Show your loader config.
>>>> How much drive attach?
>>>> And ceck your drive detect in proper order.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Yudha Harimantoro T" <yudha.ht-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
>>>> To: kernel-testers-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org, linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
>>>> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 8:26:44 PM (GMT+1100) Auto-Detected
>>>> Subject: Error : Linux-2.6.27
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Yesterday I build kernel 2.6.26.6 and it's run well. Today I got
>>>> 2.6.27 patch and try to build it.
>>>>
>>>> I build with `make oldconfig` and answer any question with default
>>>> answer, I just press [enter].
>>>> I build with `make`. No error and all compiled.
>>>> Then I install with `make modules_install` and `make install`.
>>>>
>>>> After reboot the system I got 'kernel panic'.
>>>> This is the error picture :
>>>> http://www.ryht.co.cc/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/pa101358.jpg
>>>> Is it a bugs?
>>>>
>>>> http://www.ryht.co.cc/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/pa101353.jpg
>>>> [2.6.26.6 run well]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Yudha_HT
>>>> --
>>>> To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe
>>>> linux-kernel" in
>>>> the body of a message to majordomo-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
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>>>> Please read the FAQ at  http://www.tux.org/lkml/
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>> How about you do what the error message says? Try booting with init=3
>>> for example and see if it boots.
>>
>> That won't help.  It wants the path to the init program - the first
>> default is init=/sbin/init.  Probably it has mounted the wrong
>> filesystem as root - so it can't find /sbin/init.
>>
>> Alan
>> --
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>> in
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>

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