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From: Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>
To: Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>
Cc: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Frans Pop <elendil@planet.nl>, Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>,
	Sven Geggus <lists@fuchsschwanzdomain.de>,
	Karol Lewandowski <karol.k.lewandowski@gmail.com>,
	Tobias Oetiker <tobi@oetiker.ch>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@cs.helsinki.fi>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux-foundation.org>,
	Stephan von Krawczynski <skraw@ithnet.com>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
	Kernel Testers List <kernel-testers@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/5] page allocator: Wait on both sync and async congestion after direct reclaim
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:56:34 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20091120145634.GA18912@csn.ul.ie> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091113133211.GA8742@kernel.dk>

On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 02:32:12PM +0100, Jens Axboe wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 13 2009, Mel Gorman wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 12:55:58PM +0100, Jens Axboe wrote:
> > > On Fri, Nov 13 2009, KOSAKI Motohiro wrote:
> > > > (cc to Jens)
> > > > 
> > > > > Testing by Frans Pop indicated that in the 2.6.30..2.6.31 window at least
> > > > > that the commits 373c0a7e 8aa7e847 dramatically increased the number of
> > > > > GFP_ATOMIC failures that were occuring within a wireless driver. Reverting
> > > > > this patch seemed to help a lot even though it was pointed out that the
> > > > > congestion changes were very far away from high-order atomic allocations.
> > > > > 
> > > > > The key to why the revert makes such a big difference is down to timing and
> > > > > how long direct reclaimers wait versus kswapd. With the patch reverted,
> > > > > the congestion_wait() is on the SYNC queue instead of the ASYNC. As a
> > > > > significant part of the workload involved reads, it makes sense that the
> > > > > SYNC list is what was truely congested and with the revert processes were
> > > > > waiting on congestion as expected. Hence, direct reclaimers stalled
> > > > > properly and kswapd was able to do its job with fewer stalls.
> > > > > 
> > > > > This patch aims to fix the congestion_wait() behaviour for SYNC and ASYNC
> > > > > for direct reclaimers. Instead of making the congestion_wait() on the SYNC
> > > > > queue which would only fix a particular type of workload, this patch adds a
> > > > > third type of congestion_wait - BLK_RW_BOTH which first waits on the ASYNC
> > > > > and then the SYNC queue if the timeout has not been reached.  In tests, this
> > > > > counter-intuitively results in kswapd stalling less and freeing up pages
> > > > > resulting in fewer allocation failures and fewer direct-reclaim-orientated
> > > > > stalls.
> > > > 
> > > > Honestly, I don't like this patch. page allocator is not related to
> > > > sync block queue. vmscan doesn't make read operation.
> > > > This patch makes nearly same effect of s/congestion_wait/io_schedule_timeout/.
> > > > 
> > > > Please don't make mysterious heuristic code.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Sidenode: I doubt this regression was caused from page allocator.
> > 
> > Probably not. As noted, the major change is really in how long callers
> > are waiting on congestion_wait. The tarball includes graphs from an
> > instrumented kernel that shows how long callers are waiting due to
> > congestion_wait(). This has changed significantly.
> > 
> > I'll queue up tests over the weekend that test without dm-crypt being involved.
> > 
> > > > Probably we need to confirm caller change....
> > > 
> > > See the email from Chris from yesterday, he nicely explains why this
> > > change made a difference with dm-crypt.
> > 
> > Indeed.
> > 
> > But bear in mind that it also possible that direct reclaimers are also
> > congesting the queue due to swap-in.
> 
> Are you speculating, or has this been observed? While I don't contest
> that that could happen, it's also not a new thing. And it should be an
> unlikely event.
> 
> > > dm-crypt needs fixing, not a hack like this added.
> > > 
> > 
> > As noted by Chris in the same mail, dm-crypt has not changed. What has
> > changed is how long callers wait in congestion_wait.
> 
> Right dm-crypt didn't change, it WAS ALREADY BUGGY.
> 

On a different note, I tried without dm-crypt and found by far the
greatest different to page allocator success or failure was the value of
the low_latency tunable.

low_latency == 0
2.6.32-rc6-0000000-force-highorder            Elapsed:17:50.935(stddev:002.535)   Failures:0
2.6.32-rc6-0000006-dm-crypt-unplug            Elapsed:18:44.610(stddev:002.236)   Failures:1
2.6.32-rc6-0000012-pgalloc-2.6.30             Elapsed:17:18.330(stddev:002.258)   Failures:2
2.6.32-rc6-0000123-congestion-both            Elapsed:16:17.370(stddev:002.167)   Failures:1
2.6.32-rc6-0001234-kswapd-quick-recheck       Elapsed:15:54.880(stddev:002.234)   Failures:0
2.6.32-rc6-0012345-kswapd-stay-awake-when-min Elapsed:19:26.417(stddev:002.237)   Failures:1
2.6.32-rc6-0123456-dm-crypt-unplug            Elapsed:20:19.135(stddev:001.516)   Failures:0

low_latency == 1
2.6.32-rc6-0000000-force-highorder            Elapsed:20:04.755(stddev:078.551)   Failures:22
2.6.32-rc6-0000006-dm-crypt-unplug            Elapsed:25:05.608(stddev:053.224)   Failures:12
2.6.32-rc6-0000012-pgalloc-2.6.30             Elapsed:19:01.530(stddev:002.146)   Failures:14
2.6.32-rc6-0000123-congestion-both            Elapsed:18:01.938(stddev:002.171)   Failures:2
2.6.32-rc6-0001234-kswapd-quick-recheck       Elapsed:19:52.833(stddev:064.168)   Failures:7
2.6.32-rc6-0012345-kswapd-stay-awake-when-min Elapsed:26:25.767(stddev:050.827)   Failures:1
2.6.32-rc6-0123456-dm-crypt-unplug            Elapsed:22:56.850(stddev:053.914)   Failures:1

Setting low_latency both regresses performance of the test and causes a
boatload of allocation failures. Note also the deviations. With
low_latency == 0, gitk performs predictably +/- around 2 seconds. With
low_latency == 1, there are huge varianes +/- about a minute.

Sampling writeback, I found that the number of pages in writeback with
low_latency == 1 was higher for longer.

Any theories as to why enabling low_latency has such a negative impact?
Should it be disabled by default?

-- 
Mel Gorman
Part-time Phd Student                          Linux Technology Center
University of Limerick                         IBM Dublin Software Lab

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-11-20 14:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-11-12 19:30 [PATCH 0/5] Reduce GFP_ATOMIC allocation failures, candidate fix V3 Mel Gorman
2009-11-12 19:30 ` [PATCH 1/5] page allocator: Always wake kswapd when restarting an allocation attempt after direct reclaim failed Mel Gorman
2009-11-13  5:23   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-11-13 13:55     ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-12 19:30 ` [PATCH 2/5] page allocator: Do not allow interrupts to use ALLOC_HARDER Mel Gorman
     [not found]   ` <1258054235-3208-3-git-send-email-mel-wPRd99KPJ+uzQB+pC5nmwQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-13  5:24     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-11-13 13:56       ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-12 19:30 ` [PATCH 3/5] page allocator: Wait on both sync and async congestion after direct reclaim Mel Gorman
     [not found]   ` <1258054235-3208-4-git-send-email-mel-wPRd99KPJ+uzQB+pC5nmwQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-13 11:20     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
     [not found]       ` <20091113142526.33B3.A69D9226-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-13 11:55         ` Jens Axboe
     [not found]           ` <20091113115558.GY8742-tSWWG44O7X1aa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-13 12:28             ` Mel Gorman
     [not found]               ` <20091113122821.GC29804-wPRd99KPJ+uzQB+pC5nmwQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-13 13:32                 ` Jens Axboe
     [not found]                   ` <20091113133211.GA8742-tSWWG44O7X1aa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-13 13:41                     ` Pekka Enberg
2009-11-13 15:22                       ` Chris Mason
2009-11-13 14:16                     ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-20 14:56                   ` Mel Gorman [this message]
2009-11-12 19:30 ` [PATCH 4/5] vmscan: Have kswapd sleep for a short interval and double check it should be asleep Mel Gorman
2009-11-13 10:43   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
     [not found]     ` <20091113142558.33B6.A69D9226-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-13 14:13       ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-13 18:00         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
     [not found]           ` <20091114023901.3DA8.A69D9226-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-13 18:17             ` Mel Gorman
     [not found]               ` <20091113181740.GN29804-wPRd99KPJ+uzQB+pC5nmwQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-14  9:34                 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
     [not found]                   ` <2f11576a0911140134u21eafa83t9642bb25ccd953de-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-14 15:46                     ` Mel Gorman
     [not found]                       ` <20091114154636.GR29804-wPRd99KPJ+uzQB+pC5nmwQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-17 11:03                         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
     [not found]                           ` <20091117141638.3DCB.A69D9226-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-17 11:44                             ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-17 12:18                               ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-11-17 12:25                                 ` Mel Gorman
     [not found]                                   ` <20091117122555.GZ29804-wPRd99KPJ+uzQB+pC5nmwQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-18  5:20                                     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-11-17 10:34                     ` [PATCH] vmscan: Have kswapd sleep for a short interval and double check it should be asleep fix 1 Mel Gorman
2009-11-18  5:27                       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2009-11-12 19:30 ` [PATCH 5/5] vmscan: Take order into consideration when deciding if kswapd is in trouble Mel Gorman
2009-11-13  9:54   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
     [not found]     ` <20091113142608.33B9.A69D9226-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-13 13:54       ` Mel Gorman
     [not found]         ` <20091113135443.GF29804-wPRd99KPJ+uzQB+pC5nmwQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-13 14:48           ` Minchan Kim
2009-11-13 18:00         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
     [not found]           ` <20091114023138.3DA5.A69D9226-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-13 18:15             ` [PATCH] vmscan: Stop kswapd waiting on congestion when the min watermark is not being met Mel Gorman
2009-11-13 18:26               ` Frans Pop
     [not found]               ` <20091113181557.GM29804-wPRd99KPJ+uzQB+pC5nmwQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-13 18:33                 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
     [not found]                   ` <2f11576a0911131033w4a9e6042k3349f0be290a167e-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-13 20:03                     ` [PATCH] vmscan: Stop kswapd waiting on congestion when the min watermark is not being met V2 Mel Gorman
     [not found]                       ` <20091113200357.GO29804-wPRd99KPJ+uzQB+pC5nmwQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-26 14:45                         ` Tobias Oetiker
     [not found]                           ` <alpine.DEB.2.00.0911261542500.21450-EjsAmf5DE5zIvOfxy3zmAzgUDZmNtoG9@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-29  7:42                             ` still getting allocation failures (was Re: [PATCH] vmscan: Stop kswapd waiting on congestion when the min watermark is not being met V2) Tobi Oetiker
2009-12-02 11:32                               ` Mel Gorman
2009-12-02 21:30                                 ` Tobias Oetiker
     [not found]                                   ` <alpine.DEB.2.00.0912022210220.30023-EjsAmf5DE5zIvOfxy3zmAzgUDZmNtoG9@public.gmane.org>
2009-12-03 20:26                                     ` Corrado Zoccolo
     [not found]                                       ` <4e5e476b0912031226i5b0e6cf9hdfd5519182ccdefa-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2009-12-14  5:59                                         ` Tobias Oetiker
     [not found]                                           ` <alpine.DEB.2.00.0912140646550.12657-EjsAmf5DE5zIvOfxy3zmAzgUDZmNtoG9@public.gmane.org>
2009-12-14  8:49                                             ` Corrado Zoccolo
2009-11-13 18:36               ` [PATCH] vmscan: Stop kswapd waiting on congestion when the min watermark is not being met Rik van Riel
2009-11-13 14:38     ` [PATCH 5/5] vmscan: Take order into consideration when deciding if kswapd is in trouble Minchan Kim
     [not found]   ` <1258054235-3208-6-git-send-email-mel-wPRd99KPJ+uzQB+pC5nmwQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-13 12:41     ` Minchan Kim
     [not found] ` <1258054235-3208-1-git-send-email-mel-wPRd99KPJ+uzQB+pC5nmwQ@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-13  9:04   ` [PATCH 0/5] Reduce GFP_ATOMIC allocation failures, candidate fix V3 Frans Pop
     [not found]     ` <200911131004.25293.elendil-EIBgga6/0yRmR6Xm/wNWPw@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-16 17:57       ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-13 12:47   ` Tobias Oetiker
     [not found]     ` <alpine.DEB.2.00.0911131346560.22447-ZxOFkyelvri73kmZFr1Urg@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-13 13:37       ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-15 12:07   ` Karol Lewandowski
     [not found]     ` <20091115120721.GA7557-nLtalAL5mPp2RxbNQum0x1nzlInOXLuq@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-16  9:52       ` Mel Gorman
2009-11-16 12:08         ` Karol Lewandowski
     [not found]           ` <20091116120845.GA10115-nLtalAL5mPp2RxbNQum0x1nzlInOXLuq@public.gmane.org>
2009-11-16 14:32             ` Karol Lewandowski

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