ternary vs double exclamation

ternary vs double exclamation

[Vinícius Tinti]

Hi,

I was looking the kernel source code and there are a lot of places in
which either "(expression) ? 1 : 0" or "(expression) ? 0 : 1" appear.
As fair as I can tell both can be replaced by "!!expression" and
"!expression".

Moreover there it seems that using "!!" does not add a "nopl"
instruction at the end of the call. Does anybody knows why?

Anyway. Wouldn't be nice if kernel provides something like
"boolean(x)" macro and  "inv_boolean(x)" to do this operations?

#ifdef MOD_IF
int mod_if(int x) {
    return (x == 0) ? 0 : 1;
}
#endif

#ifdef MOD_X
int mod_x(int x) {
    return !!x;
}
#endif

0000000000000000 <mod_if>:
   0:   31 c0                   xor    %eax,%eax
   2:   85 ff                   test   %edi,%edi
   4:   0f 95 c0                setne  %al
   7:   c3                      retq
   8:   0f 1f 84 00 00 00 00    nopl   0x0(%rax,%rax,1)
   f:   00

0000000000000010 <mod_x>:
  10:   31 c0                   xor    %eax,%eax
  12:   85 ff                   test   %edi,%edi
  14:   0f 95 c0                setne  %al
  17:   c3                      retq


Regards,
Vin?cius

-- 
Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication

ternary vs double exclamation

[Max Filippov]

On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 3:25 AM, Vin?cius Tinti <viniciustinti@gmail.com> wrote:
> I was looking the kernel source code and there are a lot of places in
> which either "(expression) ? 1 : 0" or "(expression) ? 0 : 1" appear.
> As fair as I can tell both can be replaced by "!!expression" and
> "!expression".
>
> Moreover there it seems that using "!!" does not add a "nopl"
> instruction at the end of the call. Does anybody knows why?

It seems that the nop instruction is inserted for alignment, and if you
reverse the order of functions in your c source, nop will still be
inserted between them.

> 0000000000000000 <mod_if>:
>    0:   31 c0                   xor    %eax,%eax
>    2:   85 ff                   test   %edi,%edi
>    4:   0f 95 c0                setne  %al
>    7:   c3                      retq
>    8:   0f 1f 84 00 00 00 00    nopl   0x0(%rax,%rax,1)
>    f:   00
>
> 0000000000000010 <mod_x>:
>   10:   31 c0                   xor    %eax,%eax
>   12:   85 ff                   test   %edi,%edi
>   14:   0f 95 c0                setne  %al
>   17:   c3                      retq

-- 
Thanks.
-- Max

ternary vs double exclamation

[Vinícius Tinti]

On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 10:34 PM, Max Filippov <jcmvbkbc@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 3:25 AM, Vin?cius Tinti <viniciustinti@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I was looking the kernel source code and there are a lot of places in
>> which either "(expression) ? 1 : 0" or "(expression) ? 0 : 1" appear.
>> As fair as I can tell both can be replaced by "!!expression" and
>> "!expression".
>>
>> Moreover there it seems that using "!!" does not add a "nopl"
>> instruction at the end of the call. Does anybody knows why?
>
> It seems that the nop instruction is inserted for alignment, and if you
> reverse the order of functions in your c source, nop will still be
> inserted between them.

I notice that too. If you use both functions in other code they both will have
the nopl. And "!expression" is as good as the "(expression) ? 0 : 1".

Thus no gain and worse readability I think.

>> 0000000000000000 <mod_if>:
>>    0:   31 c0                   xor    %eax,%eax
>>    2:   85 ff                   test   %edi,%edi
>>    4:   0f 95 c0                setne  %al
>>    7:   c3                      retq
>>    8:   0f 1f 84 00 00 00 00    nopl   0x0(%rax,%rax,1)
>>    f:   00
>>
>> 0000000000000010 <mod_x>:
>>   10:   31 c0                   xor    %eax,%eax
>>   12:   85 ff                   test   %edi,%edi
>>   14:   0f 95 c0                setne  %al
>>   17:   c3                      retq
>
> --
> Thanks.
> -- Max



-- 
Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication

ternary vs double exclamation

[Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu]

On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 22:25:41 -0200, Vin?cius Tinti said:

> I was looking the kernel source code and there are a lot of places in
> which either "(expression) ? 1 : 0" or "(expression) ? 0 : 1" appear.
> As fair as I can tell both can be replaced by "!!expression" and
> "!expression".

As far as the compiler goes, they're the same thing, as you already discovered.

Some are just code written by not-so-experts.

In other cases, the author may have wanted to keep clear that we were
calculating an integer to be used for further arithmetic rather than a boolean.

Patches to clean it up wouldn't be a bad idea in some cases.  However, each
location will have to be examined for what was intended and what produces more
readable code.  If you're *really* ambitious, converting stuff to use a boolean
rather than an int where appropriate would be nice - we don't do that enough
currently. But that will require actually reading and understanding the code.
That's not a good task for those who like to submit patches without
thinking....

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[Vinícius Tinti]

On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 11:00 PM,  <Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu> wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 22:25:41 -0200, Vin?cius Tinti said:
>
>> I was looking the kernel source code and there are a lot of places in
>> which either "(expression) ? 1 : 0" or "(expression) ? 0 : 1" appear.
>> As fair as I can tell both can be replaced by "!!expression" and
>> "!expression".
>
> As far as the compiler goes, they're the same thing, as you already discovered.
>
> Some are just code written by not-so-experts.
>
> In other cases, the author may have wanted to keep clear that we were
> calculating an integer to be used for further arithmetic rather than a boolean.
>
> Patches to clean it up wouldn't be a bad idea in some cases.  However, each
> location will have to be examined for what was intended and what produces more
> readable code.  If you're *really* ambitious, converting stuff to use a boolean
> rather than an int where appropriate would be nice - we don't do that enough
> currently. But that will require actually reading and understanding the code.
> That's not a good task for those who like to submit patches without
> thinking....
>

In fact, to be sure that I was not messing around I was thinking in
write a Clang
plugin for doing so. With this I can be 100% sure that I am not introducing any
errors.

But anyway if there is no benefits on doing so there is no need to do.

-- 
Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication

ternary vs double exclamation

[John de la Garza]

On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 08:00:08PM -0500, Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu wrote:
> If you're *really* ambitious, converting stuff to use a boolean
> rather than an int where appropriate would be nice - we don't do that enough
> currently. But that will require actually reading and understanding the code.


It should not be assumed that true will always be 1 as defined in
include/linux/stddef.h, right?

ternary vs double exclamation

[Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu]

On Sat, 03 Jan 2015 18:54:00 -0500, John de la Garza said:

> It should not be assumed that true will always be 1 as defined in
> include/linux/stddef.h, right?

No, I mean use an actual 'bool' type rather than 'int'.  Consider this from
kernel/softirq.c:

static inline bool lockdep_softirq_start(void)
{
        bool in_hardirq = false;

        if (trace_hardirq_context(current)) {
                in_hardirq = true;
                trace_hardirq_exit();
        }

        lockdep_softirq_enter();

        return in_hardirq;
}

However, this will require actual code analysis to make sure that it's
*really* being used as a boolean, not an int.  In particular, assignments
to/from the variable need to be audited for casting issues (and possibly
the correct rework is to convert *several* variables to bool at once).


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[John de la Garza]

On Sat, Jan 03, 2015 at 11:20:29PM -0500, Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu wrote:
> On Sat, 03 Jan 2015 18:54:00 -0500, John de la Garza said:
> 
> > It should not be assumed that true will always be 1 as defined in
> > include/linux/stddef.h, right?
> 
> No, I mean use an actual 'bool' type rather than 'int'.  Consider this from
> kernel/softirq.c:

yes, bool has two possible values true and false

from include/linux/stddef.h:
enum {
	        false   = 0,
		true	= 1
};


I assume it is a bad idea to depend on true being 1, right?  I mean, I
should assume that true could be changed to any non 0 value in the future,
right?

ternary vs double exclamation

[Greg KH]

On Sun, Jan 04, 2015 at 06:43:22PM -0500, John de la Garza wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 03, 2015 at 11:20:29PM -0500, Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu wrote:
> > On Sat, 03 Jan 2015 18:54:00 -0500, John de la Garza said:
> > 
> > > It should not be assumed that true will always be 1 as defined in
> > > include/linux/stddef.h, right?
> > 
> > No, I mean use an actual 'bool' type rather than 'int'.  Consider this from
> > kernel/softirq.c:
> 
> yes, bool has two possible values true and false
> 
> from include/linux/stddef.h:
> enum {
> 	        false   = 0,
> 		true	= 1
> };
> 
> 
> I assume it is a bad idea to depend on true being 1, right?  I mean, I
> should assume that true could be changed to any non 0 value in the future,
> right?

Why would that matter?  Just always test for "true" and "false" and you
will be fine.

greg k-h

ternary vs double exclamation

[Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu]

On Sun, 04 Jan 2015 18:43:22 -0500, John de la Garza said:
> On Sat, Jan 03, 2015 at 11:20:29PM -0500, Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu wrote:
> > On Sat, 03 Jan 2015 18:54:00 -0500, John de la Garza said:
> >
> > > It should not be assumed that true will always be 1 as defined in
> > > include/linux/stddef.h, right?
> >
> > No, I mean use an actual 'bool' type rather than 'int'.  Consider this from
> > kernel/softirq.c:
>
> yes, bool has two possible values true and false
>
> from include/linux/stddef.h:
> enum {
> 	        false   = 0,
> 		true	= 1
> };

Note that's an *anonynous* enum, which defines the two values, but
it *doesn't* define an enum type that can be used to force type safety.

No, if you're converting a variable from int to bool, the *important* line is
from include/linux/types.h:

typedef _Bool                   bool;

which ensures more type safety than the enum does.
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[John de la Garza]

On Sun, Jan 04, 2015 at 04:50:58PM -0800, Greg KH wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 04, 2015 at 06:43:22PM -0500, John de la Garza wrote:
> > I assume it is a bad idea to depend on true being 1, right?  I mean, I
> > should assume that true could be changed to any non 0 value in the
future,
> > right?
>
> Why would that matter?  Just always test for "true" and "false" and you
> will be fine.
>

What if you need to store the value in a bitmap that needs
to be 1 or 0 so they can be shifted/anded in?
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[John de la Garza]

On Sun, Jan 04, 2015 at 08:17:15PM -0500, Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu wrote:
> On Sun, 04 Jan 2015 18:43:22 -0500, John de la Garza said:
> > On Sat, Jan 03, 2015 at 11:20:29PM -0500, Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu wrote:
> > > On Sat, 03 Jan 2015 18:54:00 -0500, John de la Garza said:
> > >
> > > > It should not be assumed that true will always be 1 as defined in
> > > > include/linux/stddef.h, right?
> > >
> > > No, I mean use an actual 'bool' type rather than 'int'.  Consider this from
> > > kernel/softirq.c:
> >
> > yes, bool has two possible values true and false
> >
> > from include/linux/stddef.h:
> > enum {
> > 	        false   = 0,
> > 		true	= 1
> > };
> 
> Note that's an *anonynous* enum, which defines the two values, but
> it *doesn't* define an enum type that can be used to force type safety.
> 
> No, if you're converting a variable from int to bool, the *important* line is
> from include/linux/types.h:
> 
> typedef _Bool                   bool;
> 
> which ensures more type safety than the enum does.

right, I see that now

so _Bool is a defined by the compiler and typedefed to bool 

ternary vs double exclamation

[Greg KH]

On Wed, Jan 07, 2015 at 08:46:52PM -0800, John de la Garza wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 04, 2015 at 04:50:58PM -0800, Greg KH wrote:
> > On Sun, Jan 04, 2015 at 06:43:22PM -0500, John de la Garza wrote:
> > > I assume it is a bad idea to depend on true being 1, right?? I mean, I
> > > should assume that true could be changed to any non 0 value in the future,
> > > right?
> >
> > Why would that matter?? Just always test for "true" and "false" and you
> > will be fine.
> >
> 
> What if you need to store the value in a bitmap that needs
> to be 1 or 0 so they can be shifted/anded in?

Then you don't use a boolean if you are worried about it, come on, why
is this even a discussion?