Need help on understanding hardware detection

Need help on understanding hardware detection

[Tao Jiang (姜涛)]

Hi All:
	I did some search on "how does linux kernel detect hardware?" and got what udev is.
	I konw Linux kernel will send a netlink message to udevd.
	But I still do not understand how the kernel can decide to send a netlink message.
	What happend before the netlink message?
	Take an usb stick for example, what will happen and what the kernel do from the very beginning of it been plugged in?
	Thank you for advance. Any references will be appreciated.

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Tao Jiang (??)
2013-08-19

Need help on understanding hardware detection

[Saqlain Abbas]

have a look at http://blogas.sysadmin.lt/?p=141 will give you a nice idea...

Cheers,
Saqlain.


On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 4:47 PM, Tao Jiang (??) <jiangtao.jit@gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi All:
>         I did some search on "how does linux kernel detect hardware?" and
> got what udev is.
>         I konw Linux kernel will send a netlink message to udevd.
>         But I still do not understand how the kernel can decide to send a
> netlink message.
>         What happend before the netlink message?
>         Take an usb stick for example, what will happen and what the
> kernel do from the very beginning of it been plugged in?
>         Thank you for advance. Any references will be appreciated.
>
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> Tao Jiang (??)
> 2013-08-19
> _______________________________________________
> Kernelnewbies mailing list
> Kernelnewbies at kernelnewbies.org
> http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
>



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Kind Regards,
Saqlain Abbas.
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/dev/sda to ata_host

[Com Developer]

Hello List,


Is there any way to reverse map device name? /dev/sda to a the ata_host structure the drive is attached to?

I can go with a misc driver and register ata_host at AHCI? detectation time, but I would like to get ata_host pointer 
anytime I load my module.


Thanks

Cam
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Need help on understanding hardware detection

[Tao Jiang (姜涛)]

Saqlain: 
    Thanks for your reply. 
    The article really opened my eyes. 
    But in that article wrote as  
    1.  " Linux kernel constantly scans all your computer bus?es  for any changes and new hardware. Once any change on any bus is detected magic begins " 
    And in the comments at the bottom,  
    2.  "a bus controller notifies the CPU through an interrupt which allows the kernel to query the controller back for information" 
    So my question is which one is right? 
    And can you show me more details on Linux kernel's implementation about "constantly scans" or "notifies the CPU through an interrupt"? 
 
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Tao Jiang (??) 
2013-08-20 
 
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????Saqlain Abbas <saqlain.abbas.7@gmail.com> 
?????2013-08-19 19:53 
????Tao Jiang (??) 
???kernelnewbies 
???Re: Need help on understanding hardware detection 
 
have a look at http://blogas.sysadmin.lt/?p=141 will give you a nice idea... 
 
Cheers, 
Saqlain. 
 
 
On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 4:47 PM, Tao Jiang (??) <jiangtao.jit@gmail.com>wrote: 
 
> Hi All: 
>         I did some search on "how does linux kernel detect hardware?" and 
> got what udev is. 
>         I konw Linux kernel will send a netlink message to udevd. 
>         But I still do not understand how the kernel can decide to send a 
> netlink message. 
>         What happend before the netlink message? 
>         Take an usb stick for example, what will happen and what the 
> kernel do from the very beginning of it been plugged in? 
>         Thank you for advance. Any references will be appreciated. 
> 
> -------------- 
> Tao Jiang (??) 
> 2013-08-19 
> _______________________________________________ 
> Kernelnewbies mailing list 
> Kernelnewbies at kernelnewbies.org 
> http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies 
> 
 
 
 
--  
Kind Regards, 
Saqlain Abbas. 
 
 

Need help on understanding hardware detection

[Saqlain Abbas]

I believe "CPU through an interrupt" is correct, dude there is lot material
on Google on this topic, just try to search using terms "how kernel detect
a hardware" or "kernel plug and play" etc, try to use different queries and
you will find lot of stuff.

Cheers,



On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 6:46 AM, Tao Jiang (??) <jiangtao.jit@gmail.com>wrote:

> Saqlain:
>     Thanks for your reply.
>     The article really opened my eyes.
>     But in that article wrote as
>     1.  " Linux kernel constantly scans all your computer bus?es  for any
> changes and new hardware. Once any change on any bus is detected magic
> begins "
>     And in the comments at the bottom,
>     2.  "a bus controller notifies the CPU through an interrupt which
> allows the kernel to query the controller back for information"
>     So my question is which one is right?
>     And can you show me more details on Linux kernel's implementation
> about "constantly scans" or "notifies the CPU through an interrupt"?
>
> ------------------
> Tao Jiang (??)
> 2013-08-20
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------
> ????Saqlain Abbas <saqlain.abbas.7@gmail.com>
> ?????2013-08-19 19:53
> ????Tao Jiang (??)
> ???kernelnewbies
> ???Re: Need help on understanding hardware detection
>
> have a look at http://blogas.sysadmin.lt/?p=141 will give you a nice
> idea...
>
> Cheers,
> Saqlain.
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 4:47 PM, Tao Jiang (??) <jiangtao.jit@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Hi All:
> >         I did some search on "how does linux kernel detect hardware?" and
> > got what udev is.
> >         I konw Linux kernel will send a netlink message to udevd.
> >         But I still do not understand how the kernel can decide to send a
> > netlink message.
> >         What happend before the netlink message?
> >         Take an usb stick for example, what will happen and what the
> > kernel do from the very beginning of it been plugged in?
> >         Thank you for advance. Any references will be appreciated.
> >
> > --------------
> > Tao Jiang (??)
> > 2013-08-19
> > _______________________________________________
> > Kernelnewbies mailing list
> > Kernelnewbies at kernelnewbies.org
> > http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Kind Regards,
> Saqlain Abbas.
>
>
>



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Need help on understanding hardware detection

[Tao Jiang (姜涛)]

Saqlain:
	Thanks for your guide.
	I'll do more search.

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Tao Jiang (??)
2013-08-20

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????Saqlain Abbas <saqlain.abbas.7@gmail.com>
?????2013-08-20 11:28
????Tao Jiang (??)
???kernelnewbies
???Re: Re: Need help on understanding hardware detection

I believe "CPU through an interrupt" is correct, dude there is lot material
on Google on this topic, just try to search using terms "how kernel detect
a hardware" or "kernel plug and play" etc, try to use different queries and
you will find lot of stuff.

Cheers,



On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 6:46 AM, Tao Jiang (??) <jiangtao.jit@gmail.com>wrote:

> Saqlain:
>     Thanks for your reply.
>     The article really opened my eyes.
>     But in that article wrote as
>     1.  " Linux kernel constantly scans all your computer bus?es  for any
> changes and new hardware. Once any change on any bus is detected magic
> begins "
>     And in the comments at the bottom,
>     2.  "a bus controller notifies the CPU through an interrupt which
> allows the kernel to query the controller back for information"
>     So my question is which one is right?
>     And can you show me more details on Linux kernel's implementation
> about "constantly scans" or "notifies the CPU through an interrupt"?
>
> ------------------
> Tao Jiang (??)
> 2013-08-20
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------
> ????Saqlain Abbas <saqlain.abbas.7@gmail.com>
> ?????2013-08-19 19:53
> ????Tao Jiang (??)
> ???kernelnewbies
> ???Re: Need help on understanding hardware detection
>
> have a look at http://blogas.sysadmin.lt/?p=141 will give you a nice
> idea...
>
> Cheers,
> Saqlain.
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 4:47 PM, Tao Jiang (??) <jiangtao.jit@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Hi All:
> >         I did some search on "how does linux kernel detect hardware?" and
> > got what udev is.
> >         I konw Linux kernel will send a netlink message to udevd.
> >         But I still do not understand how the kernel can decide to send a
> > netlink message.
> >         What happend before the netlink message?
> >         Take an usb stick for example, what will happen and what the
> > kernel do from the very beginning of it been plugged in?
> >         Thank you for advance. Any references will be appreciated.
> >
> > --------------
> > Tao Jiang (??)
> > 2013-08-19
> > _______________________________________________
> > Kernelnewbies mailing list
> > Kernelnewbies at kernelnewbies.org
> > http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Kind Regards,
> Saqlain Abbas.
>
>
>



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Kind Regards,
Saqlain Abbas.

/dev/sda to ata_host

[Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu]

On Mon, 19 Aug 2013 15:41:15 -0700, Com Developer said:
> Is there any way to reverse map device name? /dev/sda to a the ata_host
> structure the drive is attached to?

What problem are you trying to solve with this reverse mapping?

(Hint - I'm not convinced that all devices named /dev/sd* have an ata_host
structure.  I'm reasonably sure that the large disk arrays I have on some systems
at work are *not* ATA, as they present as SCSI fiberchannel devices.

% ls -l /dev/sdaaw
brw-r----- 1 root disk 133, 576 Aug 17 07:57 /dev/sdaaw

and dmesg tells me:

  Vendor: IBM       Model: DCS9550           Rev: 4.03
  Type:   Direct-Access                      ANSI SCSI revision: 05
sdaaw : very big device. try to use READ CAPACITY(16).
SCSI device sdaaw: 15628087296 512-byte hdwr sectors (8001581 MB)
sdaaw: Write Protect is off
sdaaw: Mode Sense: a7 00 10 08
SCSI device sdaaw: drive cache: write through w/ FUA
sdaaw : very big device. try to use READ CAPACITY(16).
SCSI device sdaaw: 15628087296 512-byte hdwr sectors (8001581 MB)
sdaaw: Write Protect is off
sdaaw: Mode Sense: a7 00 10 08
SCSI device sdaaw: drive cache: write through w/ FUA
 sdaaw: unknown partition table
sd 3:0:7:96: Attached scsi disk sdaaw
sd 3:0:7:96: Attached scsi generic sg731 type 0

I'm suspecting there's no ata_host involved here, as we never notice it
as an ATA drive.

(And no, that device name isn't a boo-boo - the box really *does*
have visibility to 768 8T LUNs (OK, so it's actually 8 fiberchannel
paths to 96 LUNs. ;) 


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/dev/sda to ata_host

[Com Developer]

Yes, you are right not all drives are ata_host.
But if you connect a SATA drive it is assigned ata_host

look at ahci driver and how it attaches to libata.

I am doing some custom work and I am not interested in recompiling kernel with 

ahci and libata compiled separately.


Thanks






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 From: "Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu" <Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu>
To: Com Developer <comdeveloper@yahoo.com> 
Cc: kernelnewbies <kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org> 
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 11:09 PM
Subject: Re: /dev/sda to ata_host
 

On Mon, 19 Aug 2013 15:41:15 -0700, Com Developer said:
> Is there any way to reverse map device name? /dev/sda to a the ata_host
> structure the drive is attached to?

What problem are you trying to solve with this reverse mapping?

(Hint - I'm not convinced that all devices named /dev/sd* have an ata_host
structure.? I'm reasonably sure that the large disk arrays I have on some systems
at work are *not* ATA, as they present as SCSI fiberchannel devices.

% ls -l /dev/sdaaw
brw-r----- 1 root disk 133, 576 Aug 17 07:57 /dev/sdaaw

and dmesg tells me:

? Vendor: IBM? ? ?  Model: DCS9550? ? ? ? ?  Rev: 4.03
? Type:?  Direct-Access? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ANSI SCSI revision: 05
sdaaw : very big device. try to use READ CAPACITY(16).
SCSI device sdaaw: 15628087296 512-byte hdwr sectors (8001581 MB)
sdaaw: Write Protect is off
sdaaw: Mode Sense: a7 00 10 08
SCSI device sdaaw: drive cache: write through w/ FUA
sdaaw : very big device. try to use READ CAPACITY(16).
SCSI device sdaaw: 15628087296 512-byte hdwr sectors (8001581 MB)
sdaaw: Write Protect is off
sdaaw: Mode Sense: a7 00 10 08
SCSI device sdaaw: drive cache: write through w/ FUA
sdaaw: unknown partition table
sd 3:0:7:96: Attached scsi disk sdaaw
sd 3:0:7:96: Attached scsi generic sg731 type 0

I'm suspecting there's no ata_host involved here, as we never notice it
as an ATA drive.

(And no, that device name isn't a boo-boo - the box really *does*
have visibility to 768 8T LUNs (OK, so it's actually 8 fiberchannel
paths to 96 LUNs. ;) 
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/dev/sda to ata_host

[Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu]

On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 00:25:24 -0700, Com Developer said:
> I am doing some custom work and I am not interested in recompiling kernel with
> ahci and libata compiled separately.

That still doesn't actually explain what problem you're trying to solve
by finding the ata_host structure.  I suspect it's something along the
lines of "Once I have the ata_host structure, then I can XYZ in order
to ABC".  There's a very good chance that either (a) there's a better way
to XYZ already in-kernel, so there's no need to find the ata_host structure
first (and thus no easy way to do so), or (b) you probably should be doing DEF
instead of ABC.
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/dev/sda to ata_host

[Greg Freemyer]

Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu wrote:

>(Hint - I'm not convinced that all devices named /dev/sd* have an
>ata_host
>structure.  

Libata is a self admitted kludge.

/dev/sdx => scsi disk

Libata has stuck itself under the scsi disk driver, so you are right that not all scsi disks have a ata_host kludge, only the imposers should have one.

One path I have never chased is for an external usb connected drive.  Scsi commands are sent a across the usb bus so there is probably not any libata involvement.

Greg
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