Issues with Community

Issues with Community

[nick]

After numerous tries at good patches and still failing , I am listening to what you guys stated
about my patches check it applies, grammar and build checks. I am still unable to get a good patch
and would really appreciate it if someone walks me through one good patch as I will learn this will
a tutor and the tutor can help be my router to the community for now in order to start helping me learn 
how to be involved correctly and follow the community rules. I am willing to work on my patches if someone
is willing to do this for me and help me improve my taste in the communities mouth.
Thanks,
Nick 

Issues with Community

[Hugo Mills]

On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 07:22:15PM -0400, nick wrote:
> After numerous tries at good patches and still failing , I am
> listening to what you guys stated about my patches check it applies,
> grammar and build checks. I am still unable to get a good patch and
> would really appreciate it if someone walks me through one good
> patch as I will learn this will a tutor and the tutor can help be my
> router to the community for now in order to start helping me learn
> how to be involved correctly and follow the community rules. I am
> willing to work on my patches if someone is willing to do this for
> me and help me improve my taste in the communities mouth.

   Pretty much everybody who's written you an email from these mailing
lists in the last two months has been trying to help you in this way.
You've consistently ignored (or at least not followed) the advice,
which makes the people who gave it feel like it's not worth the
effort. Therefore, as it stands, anyone considering helping you will
probably think it's a complete waste of time.

   Phrases such as you've used to date: "I must check things more
carefully", "I'm willing to work on my patches", "I will learn this"
are no longer good enough: You've used wording like this before, and
failed to show that you've learned anything as a result.

   So, unless you can explain in detail *why* you ignored all the
previous advice, *and* you can explain in detail *how* you are modifying
your behaviour and working practices so that you can learn from future
advice, nobody is likely to want to help you.

   Go back and read my mail from yesterday. Engage with it -- write
your thoughts and explanations on a point-by-point basis. A single
three-line response at the end of the mail is not sufficient. If you
can't engage with that mail in detail, follow the advice I gave and
seek formal assistance for your learning difficulties.

   Hugo.

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Issues with Community

[Jesus Bustos]

Nick,

What do you think about the following :

http://www.themukt.com/2014/08/04/someone-trolling-linux-kernel-mailing-lists-really-hard/

Regards.

On 17 September 2014 11:00, Hugo Mills <hugo@carfax.org.uk> wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 07:22:15PM -0400, nick wrote:
> > After numerous tries at good patches and still failing , I am
> > listening to what you guys stated about my patches check it applies,
> > grammar and build checks. I am still unable to get a good patch and
> > would really appreciate it if someone walks me through one good
> > patch as I will learn this will a tutor and the tutor can help be my
> > router to the community for now in order to start helping me learn
> > how to be involved correctly and follow the community rules. I am
> > willing to work on my patches if someone is willing to do this for
> > me and help me improve my taste in the communities mouth.
>
>    Pretty much everybody who's written you an email from these mailing
> lists in the last two months has been trying to help you in this way.
> You've consistently ignored (or at least not followed) the advice,
> which makes the people who gave it feel like it's not worth the
> effort. Therefore, as it stands, anyone considering helping you will
> probably think it's a complete waste of time.
>
>    Phrases such as you've used to date: "I must check things more
> carefully", "I'm willing to work on my patches", "I will learn this"
> are no longer good enough: You've used wording like this before, and
> failed to show that you've learned anything as a result.
>
>    So, unless you can explain in detail *why* you ignored all the
> previous advice, *and* you can explain in detail *how* you are modifying
> your behaviour and working practices so that you can learn from future
> advice, nobody is likely to want to help you.
>
>    Go back and read my mail from yesterday. Engage with it -- write
> your thoughts and explanations on a point-by-point basis. A single
> three-line response at the end of the mail is not sufficient. If you
> can't engage with that mail in detail, follow the advice I gave and
> seek formal assistance for your learning difficulties.
>
>    Hugo.
>
> --
> === Hugo Mills: hugo at ... carfax.org.uk | darksatanic.net | lug.org.uk ===
>   PGP key: 65E74AC0 from wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net or http://www.carfax.org.uk
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[Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar]

ahahaha, this is a total win.

"There are many other theories such as it could be some joruno or redditter
trying to get burned by Linus to get some headlines. It could be NSA trying
to sneak their code, it could be Russians. But none of these theories beat
the one by Giorgio A. Tsoukalos who believes that it?s aliens trolling the
Linux Kernel mailing list."

On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Jesus Bustos <jesus.bustos@adminlinux.org>
wrote:

> Nick,
>
> What do you think about the following :
>
>
> http://www.themukt.com/2014/08/04/someone-trolling-linux-kernel-mailing-lists-really-hard/
>
> Regards.
>
> On 17 September 2014 11:00, Hugo Mills <hugo@carfax.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 07:22:15PM -0400, nick wrote:
>> > After numerous tries at good patches and still failing , I am
>> > listening to what you guys stated about my patches check it applies,
>> > grammar and build checks. I am still unable to get a good patch and
>> > would really appreciate it if someone walks me through one good
>> > patch as I will learn this will a tutor and the tutor can help be my
>> > router to the community for now in order to start helping me learn
>> > how to be involved correctly and follow the community rules. I am
>> > willing to work on my patches if someone is willing to do this for
>> > me and help me improve my taste in the communities mouth.
>>
>>    Pretty much everybody who's written you an email from these mailing
>> lists in the last two months has been trying to help you in this way.
>> You've consistently ignored (or at least not followed) the advice,
>> which makes the people who gave it feel like it's not worth the
>> effort. Therefore, as it stands, anyone considering helping you will
>> probably think it's a complete waste of time.
>>
>>    Phrases such as you've used to date: "I must check things more
>> carefully", "I'm willing to work on my patches", "I will learn this"
>> are no longer good enough: You've used wording like this before, and
>> failed to show that you've learned anything as a result.
>>
>>    So, unless you can explain in detail *why* you ignored all the
>> previous advice, *and* you can explain in detail *how* you are modifying
>> your behaviour and working practices so that you can learn from future
>> advice, nobody is likely to want to help you.
>>
>>    Go back and read my mail from yesterday. Engage with it -- write
>> your thoughts and explanations on a point-by-point basis. A single
>> three-line response at the end of the mail is not sufficient. If you
>> can't engage with that mail in detail, follow the advice I gave and
>> seek formal assistance for your learning difficulties.
>>
>>    Hugo.
>>
>> --
>> === Hugo Mills: hugo at ... carfax.org.uk | darksatanic.net | lug.org.uk ===
>>   PGP key: 65E74AC0 from wwwkeys.eu.pgp.net or http://www.carfax.org.uk
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>>
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>> http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
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>>
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Thank you
Warm Regards
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Issues with Community

[Jake Campbell]

Nick,

Why do you persist on trying to get a patch into the kernel, despite your
continuous failed efforts after help has been given to improve them?

To be completely honest, and I do not mean to offend, but being a Kernel
Newbie myself on this list for only the past few months, already you have
proven yourself to be an example of what _not_ to do to be a helpful member
of the community... Even to the extent of individual threads created to
address this nuisance.

At this point, most people would immediately realize negative effects of
their actions, both to themselves and everyone else, and work to improve
them before even attempting to reconcile their past actions.

Why have you not sought help elsewhere?  You must realize that you are in
no way helping yourself by acting this way.

On Sep 16, 2014 5:23 PM, "nick" <xerofoify@gmail.com> wrote:

> After numerous tries at good patches and still failing , I am listening to
> what you guys stated
> about my patches check it applies, grammar and build checks. I am still
> unable to get a good patch
> and would really appreciate it if someone walks me through one good patch
> as I will learn this will
> a tutor and the tutor can help be my router to the community for now in
> order to start helping me learn
> how to be involved correctly and follow the community rules. I am willing
> to work on my patches if someone
> is willing to do this for me and help me improve my taste in the
> communities mouth.
> Thanks,
> Nick
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Kernelnewbies at kernelnewbies.org
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Issues with Community

[Rik van Riel]

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On 09/16/2014 07:22 PM, nick wrote:
> After numerous tries at good patches and still failing , I am
> listening to what you guys stated about my patches check it
> applies, grammar and build checks. I am still unable to get a good
> patch and would really appreciate it if someone walks me through
> one good patch as I will learn this will a tutor and the tutor can
> help be my router to the community

There are a lot of useful things to do in the Linux kernel community
besides writing patches.

One of the useful things you could do is simply run linux-next on your
system, and update whenever new linux-next code comes out. If it breaks
(which it sometimes does), you can write a bug report, and learn from
the resulting email thread what caused the problem.

Debugging is a much better way to learn development than developing
new patches from scratch "just because"...

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Issues with Community

[Nick Krause]

On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 9:13 AM, Rik van Riel <riel@surriel.com> wrote:
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> On 09/16/2014 07:22 PM, nick wrote:
>> After numerous tries at good patches and still failing , I am
>> listening to what you guys stated about my patches check it
>> applies, grammar and build checks. I am still unable to get a good
>> patch and would really appreciate it if someone walks me through
>> one good patch as I will learn this will a tutor and the tutor can
>> help be my router to the community
>
> There are a lot of useful things to do in the Linux kernel community
> besides writing patches.
>
> One of the useful things you could do is simply run linux-next on your
> system, and update whenever new linux-next code comes out. If it breaks
> (which it sometimes does), you can write a bug report, and learn from
> the resulting email thread what caused the problem.
>
> Debugging is a much better way to learn development than developing
> new patches from scratch "just because"...
>
> - --
> All rights reversed.
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Sure I will look into linux-next issues later today.
Nick

Issues with Community

[Sudip Mukherjee]

___________________________________________
> > Kernelnewbies mailing list
> > Kernelnewbies at kernelnewbies.org
> > http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
> Sure I will look into linux-next issues later today.
> Nick
>
you mean to say you have not yet seen linux-next?? but i remember seeing
mails from you regarding git and linux-next..
so this is another example of ignoring advices given to you.

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Issues with Community

[Jason Conklin]

First of all, if you missed my email on this topic (sent a few weeks ago),
please go read or reread it.[1] Things were relatively quiet on this
"front" until this week.

This is all my opinion (and I carry no clout here), but if you are
frustrated or annoyed by Nick's emails, the best thing you can do for him
and for this list is just to ignore them.

Correct me if I'm mistaken, but I don't think anyone is ~obligated~ to
review or respond to every patch, or think about every question raised --
and frankly, all this exasperation about Nick creates a lot more noise in
my inbox than the questions and patches themselves. And as a newbie myself,
I've actually learned a thing or two from it all.

I commend those of you who have continued to respond patiently to Nick, as
well as those who haven't banned him. I don't know that there is an ideal
short-term solution here, but I do notice that his input has changed
gradually over the past few months; I suspect that could continue.

Perhaps continued repetition of the idea that he set aside patch submission
as a goal and use bug reports as a way to explore and better understand the
kernel.

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On Sep 17, 2014 3:00 PM, "Sudip Mukherjee" <sudipm.mukherjee@gmail.com>
wrote:

> ___________________________________________
> > > Kernelnewbies mailing list
> > > Kernelnewbies at kernelnewbies.org
> > > http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
> > Sure I will look into linux-next issues later today.
> > Nick
> >
> you mean to say you have not yet seen linux-next?? but i remember seeing
> mails from you regarding git and linux-next..
> so this is another example of ignoring advices given to you.
>
> > _______________________________________________
> > Kernelnewbies mailing list
> > Kernelnewbies at kernelnewbies.org
> > http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
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Issues with Community

[nick]

On 14-09-17 02:59 PM, Sudip Mukherjee wrote:
> ___________________________________________
>>> Kernelnewbies mailing list
>>> Kernelnewbies at kernelnewbies.org
>>> http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
>> Sure I will look into linux-next issues later today.
>> Nick
>>
> you mean to say you have not yet seen linux-next?? but i remember seeing
> mails from you regarding git and linux-next..
> so this is another example of ignoring advices given to you.
> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Kernelnewbies mailing list
>> Kernelnewbies at kernelnewbies.org
>> http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
> 
No I meant I will look into working on linux-next not about seeing it,
sorry my wording is causing confusion, if it is please let me known so
I can help you understand.
Nick