Re: Planned changes for bugzilla.kernel.org to reduce the "Bugzilla blues"

Laurent Pinchart
2022-10-02T21:11:10Z

On Sun, Oct 02, 2022 at 07:37:38PM +0000, Artem S. Tashkinov wrote:
> On 10/2/22 14:48, Slade Watkins wrote:
> >> On Oct 2, 2022, at 8:49 AM, Artem S. Tashkinov <aros@gmx.com> wrote:
> >> As I've said many times already: bugzilla must be an opt-out, not opt-in
> >> experience/option.
> >>
> >> Let's subscribe the past six months of developers using git commits and
> >> if someone doesn't like getting emails they go to the website and
> >> unsubscribe _once_ which takes a minute. This is a non-issue I've no
> >> clue why we're dwelling on it.
> >
> > I disagree with this in its *entirety* and I really don’t think it
> > has any chance of moving forward.
> >
> > If this were to happen (and it won’t!) then developers will just
> > send the emails to spam or some other filter because they didn’t
> > _consent_ to being subscribed to it. And in my opinion, they’d be
> > justified in doing that.
>
> It was a proposal from no one, i.e. me.
>
> The other option will be what? To _mass email_ everyone asking them to
> subscribe to bugzilla? Do you know what will happen? 2/3 of relevant
> people will forget about/neglect this email, they will never sign up
> even if they are willing to and we'll end up with a disfunction bugzilla
> again.
>
> It feels to me we are back to:
>
> "Users are expected to break their necks finding random mailing lists
> and sending their reports to them expecting feedback".
>
> 95% of users will just give up.
>
> 4.95% of users will not receive any feedback: the developer has been
> busy with their work, life, past time, etc - "Sorry, missed your email".
>
> Maybe 0.05% bug reports will be actually dealt with.
>
> Again this does not work for serious collaborations requiring multiple
> people over extended periods of time. It absolutely sucks in terms of
> filling in the missing details.
>
> I begin to sound like a broken record repeating what we've already
> discussed to death a dozen times.
>
> Let's deprecate bugzilla and just say "f it". That's what I hear. Great!
>
> No responsibility, no bug reports, no fixes, welcome regressions.
>
> I concur. This discussion has been a complete waste of time.

Do you realize how insulting this is, for all the developers and
maintainers who spend lots of their free time doing their best ? It's
all very nice to complain and rant, but if you want things to move
forward, lead the effort and work on it.

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Regards,

Laurent Pinchart