Re: [Ksummit-discuss] Topics for the Maintainer's Summit

Randy Dunlap
2019-09-03T03:05:13Z

On 9/2/19 7:35 PM, Olof Johansson wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 2, 2019 at 3:22 PM Theodore Y. Ts'o <tytso@mit.edu> wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 03, 2019 at 06:42:55AM +1000, Dave Airlie wrote:
>>> On Friday, 30 August 2019, Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@kernel.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 11:17:20PM -0400, Theodore Y. Ts'o wrote:
>>>>> ...
>>>>> Are there some additional topics that you'd like to suggest that we
>>>>> discuss at the maintainer's summit?
>>>>
>>>> I don't have an effective workflow for managing incoming patches. I
>>>> use a hodge-podge of patchwork, gmail, mutt, and ugly private scripts
>>>> to put patches on topic branches, review them, polish them, merge them
>>>> together into a "-next" branch, generate pull requests, etc.
>>>>
>>>> I wish there were a collection of the workflows and scripts people
>>>> use, maybe even in the kernel sources so they could be shared and
>>>> improved. Some short screencasts could help visualize and pull things
>>>> together. I know a lot of this stuff is "out there" somewhere, but
>>>> I'm not aware of any organized collection.
>>>
>>>
>>> These are quite drm specific but they do mean myself and Daniel can operate
>>> seamlessly, and all i915 and drm misc maintainers and committers use the
>>> same enforced workflow. We hope to move to gitlab at some point and may try
>>> and use the same interface or not.
>>>
>>> https://drm.pages.freedesktop.org/maintainer-tools/index.html
>>>
>>> Happy to give more info at maintainer summit, but we have gotten negative
>>> feedback in the past from some community members who wanted to point out at
>>> length that drm didnt invent group maintainership first, i still have no
>>> idea of the relevancy of the comment.
>>
>> Are there are other people who have interest in sharing their
>> workflow? I'm wonder if it might be useful to schedule time during
>> the kernel summit, so it's open for more people to benefit from this
>> sharing? (Also note that Kernel Summit track sessions will be video
>> taped for posterity, while Maintainer Summit discussions are *not*
>> recorded.)
>
> Sharing workflow sessions are a repeating theme, but I think there's
> still a good amount of interest in them since things change over time,
> and there's always a lot to learn from how others deal with things.
>
> I've found that sharing exact tool suites tends to be hard, people are
> often comfortable with the pile-of-scripts they have. But there's
> still value in seeing how others have solved things, and borrow ideas
> or pieces of the workflow.
>
> Steven's ktest that's in the kernel tree is a good example -- I like
> the idea, but it didn't do quite what I needed, and it was easier to
> just roll my own back when I first looked at using it. It doesn't mean
> others won't reuse it 100%, and it doesn't mean it's not a good idea
> to share them.
>
> I agree that it's probably a great idea to do on the wider KS forum
> instead, for wider audience. Maybe a BoF-style talk with show-and-tell
> and/or others also showing what and how they do it is useful?

Please just make sure that it is recorded for non-attendees to be able
to make use of it.

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~Randy