From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mail-pl1-f179.google.com (mail-pl1-f179.google.com [209.85.214.179]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F098563A for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2023 00:46:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pl1-f179.google.com with SMTP id d9443c01a7336-1bf57366ccdso11078715ad.1 for ; Wed, 06 Sep 2023 17:46:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1694047582; x=1694652382; darn=lists.linux.dev; h=in-reply-to:content-disposition:mime-version:references:message-id :subject:cc:to:from:date:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=57AXZJo8Jb4yjf847g3y+DgEAO9Dl3SA1ttEwigOllQ=; b=bVLIfNQgHL/qpSlweojC2+x62ubtPp2gn8HJ6k1NwrACPOzY6rFENiARfpRYqMWfhB 9LT/UTMGKMGeCrI2C2hwSNqp47v1bPsnMqic9nKh5tQLbO9l4rLQFFsW69J/NnHIWZbO fkTXEDe7ie5qmU5UvcqXteOxyd+IMl8GxGUGy/3dHYEdzNzsXQi2W+IwSAFiPWffXoBo oH/p7ybVJs4NZyWxGuxU4MejiFw2vJg7FeKgU3TPTD8ShdxiemGkTEUGqranItTdZ3h8 ZamW5FexNCSMFgdzlFW5WwCCcpcD0loVwaT1b3oqjNwl9KVtv3yPWFxMfLwYXQhvo0jw 9b2g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1694047582; x=1694652382; h=in-reply-to:content-disposition:mime-version:references:message-id :subject:cc:to:from:date:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=57AXZJo8Jb4yjf847g3y+DgEAO9Dl3SA1ttEwigOllQ=; b=F97K5RK26CiqY02rx6c//AZEaXl3ef1CJC339MPjbaBqAqpdxhQMQnPSEU4kgHEXQJ 2kSp5bcA7CPDoLoNggRbw7B4/offrAf5yqx6aBhDtGBM38rvA6+HSYbwS4dxLUCa1RjH KNu9y19qwXLSyPPAAcNW22f4DlFyMXUteG+UwP2Al5nywLx4ZrWQ8BCnYvMcJh7TTBON rbOLnh+lrQTg8loshpuGWGtaA/Qe1RBC1njQhiz68lxr+1zMxxbzQN6hpevewh4l4S1U hOInv1B15GWlO8E7jHXcx4stdq1guBRZKywgSobEX/i0rptwVxYrz2wBXqXEFRkMBMDt vweg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yyw05lcEc8wV//RJMtLgsnCutBhDGwu56f0pkdUgCTdEwKY3ntf ovVUQlk13mndPm87xq8Nllo= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGEshBV6LanzKkBw8uAV7S2uZK+tdl1sD5PiG2+b+JzII9K8RkucdgWdnRLDs6fkkw53Ayklg== X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:da91:b0:1bd:f69e:a407 with SMTP id j17-20020a170902da9100b001bdf69ea407mr1884708plx.8.1694047582161; Wed, 06 Sep 2023 17:46:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from debian.me ([103.124.138.83]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a5-20020a170902ee8500b001bd62419744sm11582778pld.147.2023.09.06.17.46.21 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 06 Sep 2023 17:46:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by debian.me (Postfix, from userid 1000) id AD5FD8CEA49C; Thu, 7 Sep 2023 07:46:18 +0700 (WIB) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2023 07:46:17 +0700 From: Bagas Sanjaya To: Matthew Wilcox , Dave Chinner Cc: Christoph Hellwig , ksummit@lists.linux.dev, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Morton Subject: Re: [MAINTAINERS/KERNEL SUMMIT] Trust and maintenance of file systems Message-ID: References: Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="4qbvKeCXYr1773C4" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: --4qbvKeCXYr1773C4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [disclaimer: I'm no expert here, just my opinion] On Wed, Sep 06, 2023 at 12:23:22AM +0100, Matthew Wilcox wrote: > I really feel we're between a rock and a hard place with our unmaintained > filesystems. They have users who care passionately, but not the ability > to maintain them. In OTW: these fses are in limbo state, which induces another question: how to get users of these into developers (and possibly maintainers) to get out of this unfortunate situation? Do we have to keep deprecated APIs they use indefinitely for the sake of servicing them without any transition plan to replacement APIs? Do akpm have to step in for that to happen? Thanks. --=20 An old man doll... just what I always wanted! - Clara --4qbvKeCXYr1773C4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iHUEABYKAB0WIQSSYQ6Cy7oyFNCHrUH2uYlJVVFOowUCZPkdUQAKCRD2uYlJVVFO o/wyAQCltgShWt21XAnulgTA3k24PPQGghH2nW9zWxcXoTqJ2gD/aoeg4+SBzTiU vVUsoqmLmR/ddK9ZveVTugdKEhXIxwA= =M0u8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --4qbvKeCXYr1773C4--