From: Sasha Levin <sashal@kernel.org>
To: Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>
Cc: Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>, ksummit@lists.linux.dev
Subject: Re: [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] Other LLM-related topics - tags, newcomers, etc
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2026 12:24:45 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <alkFzdJobnnMjJ4v@laps> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <daea687e-46ef-4e00-9188-d14a663f1428@sirena.org.uk>
On Thu, Jul 16, 2026 at 05:08:40PM +0100, Mark Brown wrote:
>On Thu, Jul 16, 2026 at 11:28:25AM -0400, Sasha Levin wrote:
>> On Thu, Jul 16, 2026 at 09:09:27AM -0600, Jonathan Corbet wrote:
>
>> > - There are many first-time contributors coming in with LLM-generated
>> > patches. At times, I could swear that every one of them is focused on
>
>> > Our maintainers are not scaling to handle this new flood, and I fear we
>> > are going to see some unfortunate things merged. One LLM-driven newcomer
>> > recently nearly succeeded in establishing himself as the maintainer of
>> > lib/. How do we hold the line against this stuff while remaining open to
>> > new developers?
>
>> Shouldn't it be a merits question rather than a tools question?
>
>> If the commits are correct, does it matter if they were written with an LLM? we
>> can insist more on supplying tests and demonstrating correctness, something we
>> seem to be doing quite rarely right now.
>
>The issue (which a number of projects are facing) is as much one of
>volume as anything else, the code generation machines are enabling the
>generation and submision of volumes of code where things were previously
>constrained by human factors. It can turn into a bit of a DoS. I don't
>have any particularly bright ideas here but it's definitely a thing.
Sure, we're seeing quite the increase in patch submissions, but I'm trying to
argue that the issue isn't a new one: lack of maintainers, trusted reviewers,
and maintainer burnout has been a topic at each kernel summit for as long as I
can remember. AI just kicks it up a notch.
My concern is that if we focus on the AI aspect, we still won't be solving the
underlying issue.
I'm hoping we can figure out how to get maintainers great tooling, testing, and
community, rather than figuring out how to block a developer who uses LLM.
Maybe AI would actually be a great catalyst for that as well?
--
Thanks,
Sasha
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Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-07-16 15:09 [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] Other LLM-related topics - tags, newcomers, etc Jonathan Corbet
2026-07-16 15:28 ` Sasha Levin
2026-07-16 16:08 ` Mark Brown
2026-07-16 16:24 ` Sasha Levin [this message]
2026-07-16 20:38 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-17 14:09 ` Sasha Levin
2026-07-21 23:15 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-22 0:23 ` Guenter Roeck
2026-07-17 14:25 ` Mark Brown
2026-07-21 23:58 ` Jori Koolstra
2026-07-22 0:57 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-07-22 14:20 ` Trond Myklebust
2026-07-23 14:15 ` Mark Brown
2026-07-22 17:48 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2026-07-22 19:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-07-23 0:26 ` Kees Cook
2026-07-23 13:10 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-07-23 14:30 ` Jori Koolstra
2026-07-16 18:36 ` Jonathan Corbet
2026-07-16 19:53 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-07-16 23:59 ` Theodore Tso
2026-07-17 0:58 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-07-17 2:27 ` Theodore Tso
2026-07-17 7:19 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-07-19 9:01 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-07-21 18:21 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-07-18 9:26 ` Takashi Iwai
2026-07-19 9:29 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-07-22 9:53 ` Takashi Iwai
2026-07-17 13:55 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2026-07-17 14:24 ` Andrew Lunn
2026-07-17 14:32 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2026-07-17 14:50 ` Andrew Lunn
2026-07-17 20:21 ` Theodore Tso
2026-07-18 12:54 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-07-16 20:05 ` Bart Van Assche
2026-07-16 20:52 ` James Bottomley
2026-07-16 20:23 ` Liam R. Howlett
2026-07-17 7:49 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-17 15:55 ` Liam R. Howlett
2026-07-17 11:57 ` James Bottomley
2026-07-17 15:53 ` Liam R. Howlett
2026-07-17 18:12 ` James Bottomley
2026-07-17 18:27 ` Dan Carpenter
2026-07-17 18:42 ` James Bottomley
2026-07-18 1:13 ` Theodore Tso
2026-07-18 3:07 ` James Bottomley
2026-07-17 14:54 ` Johannes Weiner
2026-07-17 16:09 ` Liam R. Howlett
2026-07-16 21:23 ` Theodore Tso
2026-07-17 13:59 ` Sasha Levin
2026-07-17 14:09 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2026-07-21 23:24 ` Jori Koolstra
2026-08-08 8:45 ` Dan Carpenter
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