From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (aws-us-west-2-korg-mail-alma10-1.taild15c8.ts.net [100.103.45.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 91B5D3B3880 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2026 08:22:32 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=100.103.45.18 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1786436553; cv=none; b=nYHD9RtzMVBdL1gzq5Ja24JeVEBM8F/UnmP0V7S2ckXExJWKVSb08eNdf30dLI8+Fb7ybmXG9UyRcuU+xvZrnYv6/92HTCkqi/IjG+Zzo/N2MbGViqcwnrYm5gg7//3pX1Oc5vE4Iz1Zg1ZvRaNtksHa2Xz4tJKgDE3UkOQfDW0= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1786436553; c=relaxed/simple; bh=gRki98APDPRqSWREyTYXvgQAe8SsX/5CH+cG45hGjIg=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To; b=AIuProLQpPFu3B7BCgsIQMvjs5rJT8eV1rMPyqMfLvXAeWzr8Bw4wG5tXBWN4v4Q0U0/C0A1gFqFOt6tiPagei+Y9NxErJc8fnkXVy4uebe6aYNhAGX1pQRftf/pgCusu5afINQy/t44wBm22ENw5m/k3xxwr802prcIkD6WLvc= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b=Aascn4dD; arc=none smtp.client-ip=100.103.45.18 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b="Aascn4dD" Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9D1331F00A3A; Tue, 11 Aug 2026 08:22:30 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kernel.org; s=k20260515; t=1786436552; bh=hcg9ea/0gqwiQ+Z8uqqSphVTiw8s0hyjObyOYE7Nyzw=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=Aascn4dDREfQIgPo+bq/iWMF8/URFjuh2iherJmSz3S1R++whjPIpbAYUjN/H0p5c DH7ThcFiWox8P/EwofehwXIDBTk85IwW3DDNhoR/vnFJGzkZf1eFOiD7XbmVb1VPzt QfWTz+JOqpl2jkBwPlxFloF2q9In7nOt70l3gv94gkggVbWt+AiFRU5QIjOuNeWdDY RbXr/VuiVYm8S6ixi9I5BX9hnB1WuRpue9yKKFQMivOpgzadzO/3ecdtEbM66oXVPm 03oOrdwFPafOVg9BMELfosZaBYJYFwjnsAN6W75SR+KBpIRxOFxULsBbTVbXzLveU8 8/ajcOIKfQ7IA== Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2026 09:22:14 +0100 From: "Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)" To: "Liam R. Howlett" Cc: Dave Airlie , Linus Torvalds , Steven Rostedt , James Bottomley , ksummit@lists.linux.dev Subject: Re: [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] Time to call it quits for the maintainer summit? Message-ID: References: <8ae41b73983eee6ba716a61b8701df6522a02baa.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <20260806194153.6443a3ba@gandalf.local.home> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: On Mon, Aug 10, 2026 at 05:45:29PM -0400, Liam R. Howlett wrote: > On 10 August 2026 17:30:48 GMT-04:00, Dave Airlie wrote: > >On Mon, 10 Aug 2026 at 17:26, Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM) wrote: > >> > >> On Mon, Aug 10, 2026 at 08:10:21AM +1000, Dave Airlie wrote: > >> ... > >> > I think people really have a misconception about what goes on at the > >> > maintainer summit, the best explanation I've been given was that it is > >> > Linus's staff meeting. The people that Linus works with closest, get > >> > invited to talk to Linus and help him figure out where the overall > >> > ship is going and where things are going wrong. > >> ... > >> > Your language choice already makes it feel like you see it as some > >> > elite or special group. It's a bunch of technical project managers > >> > talking about the processes of producing the kernel. If a talk about > >> > the technical content of the kernel sneaks in it's very rare and also > >> > usually not of interest to half the room. > >> ... > >> > > >> > > I mean I don't know, maybe it's necessary to run it as a tight ship of > >> > > trusted people, but I think we should at least be more clear about that. > >> > >> I mean this is kinda my point. > >> > >> It is being advertised as X but is actually Y. So say it's Y. > >> > >> That's not what Ted's posts or the write ups or generally any comms about the MS > >> say it is. > >> > >> The CFP-ish bit is probably pretty redundant too on this basis? > > > >In my opinion, quite a lot of the problems that get raised by the CFP > >on this list, often get resolved on this list, which to my mind > >suggests we just need to have a better year round maintainers list > >that doesn't get consumed by patches or internal subsystem matters. > > > > Reviewed-by.. err. Yeah, this sound like a decent idea to explore. Reviewed-by: Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM) also ;) (I finally made an emacs macro my rubber-stam... err reviewing purposes) -- Cheers, Lorenzo