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Fri, 7 Aug 2026 13:02:14 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [MAINTAINERS SUMMIT] Coping with the new-developer flood From: Mimi Zohar To: Theodore Tso , Dan Carpenter Cc: Konstantin Ryabitsev , Greg KH , Jonathan Corbet , ksummit@lists.linux.dev In-Reply-To: References: <87y0ekm9nw.fsf@trenco.lwn.net> <2026080651-bony-hertz-bfb6@gregkh> <20260806-industrious-whippet-of-jest-a91eaa@meerkat> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2026 09:02:14 -0400 Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: ksummit@lists.linux.dev List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Evolution 3.58.3 (3.58.3-1.fc43) X-TM-AS-GCONF: 00 X-Proofpoint-Reinject: loops=2 maxloops=12 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Info: AW1haW4tMjYwODA3MDEwMCBTYWx0ZWRfX92K0vqO40Ecr CUfS6hF9h9psk7bg1CdSXIUUbpZyyOsTdFCl9xHDE37YFcv/7eF7n/E7mY74e/9jVf5c4a11XJq LeCuh+zPUGc2jqh0NwzW3dEF0So9AfI= X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.4 cv=VPTtWdPX c=1 sm=1 tr=0 ts=6a75d758 cx=c_pps a=3Bg1Hr4SwmMryq2xdFQyZA==:117 a=3Bg1Hr4SwmMryq2xdFQyZA==:17 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=Sv0fKeRqtYgA:10 a=VkNPw1HP01LnGYTKEx00:22 a=RnoormkPH1_aCDwRdu11:22 a=RzCfie-kr_QcCd8fBx8p:22 a=VwQbUJbxAAAA:8 a=i0EeH86SAAAA:8 a=qFCTLWqJoR2UGEZAqCgA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 X-Proofpoint-ORIG-GUID: EjuPPe0ecbhVmZOTBZloBk_R8g304Qec X-Proofpoint-GUID: fdrc7DGAYR4qNkBz7BXzyov8BR3rl9rw X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details-Enc: AW1haW4tMjYwODA3MDEwMCBTYWx0ZWRfXwjZBW5aos83N ke8P7MZc9V142rNPbBiVbHbPbeNyE+Z+Ja5hiah4oXT2SlZtP7ZkeqanEvbZBgVYPwiMf79rPnH RIa6LWylJ2wVuZpq6KOaM2XkTlhZWypsWwAx1m/7zqcz4u512NWX+Xqa5zhqcs0v8V5bFU3Z+c8 OYceFmUENhUvVUgd7Nm0l864ul/aJkMIUi9HySeNNKNcNZn8RqdYcFnfYTBW8P4cNeKGE2dl8Ar NZpynxh5EGyKIhInlYUys2SQ+XMK05xuScaIxse5rfgWCOFXrX72L48AFPOXurTXYvss58fOJN3 z/HF4Y58Id7rsPifVgJxfj3IozKj3J0Hho204mclXqu+uEevUnEB14KVEZNTIn2wsOlhjhebBVG NusDq5IpWqfeEDSSl/OHhOnjrww1yQR0Ef1filgNladKarCnALA9E7HLPUWF9zW0eGUjQVCLrOJ 0h2htiwX2HUewaEyc4g== X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=baseguard engine=ICAP:2.0.293,Aquarius:18.0.1176,Hydra:6.1.134,FMLib:17.12.100.49 definitions=2026-08-07_02,2026-08-06_01,2025-10-01_01 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=outbound_notspam policy=outbound score=0 lowpriorityscore=0 malwarescore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 priorityscore=1501 phishscore=0 impostorscore=0 adultscore=0 suspectscore=0 classifier=typeunknown authscore=0 authtc= authcc= route=outbound adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.22.0-2606150000 definitions=main-2608070100 On Thu, 2026-08-06 at 23:23 -0400, Theodore Tso wrote: > On Thu, Aug 06, 2026 at 10:32:40PM -0500, Dan Carpenter wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 06, 2026 at 01:28:25PM -0400, Konstantin Ryabitsev wrote: > > > - actually applies > > > - isn't against a known LTS branch > >=20 > > No one wants patches against an LTS branch. That would violate the > > stable rules since everything should be upstream first. >=20 > Right, we should issue a warning if it's not a backport from upstream > (e.g., if it's against an LTS branch, it should have an > Upstream-commit: tag). >=20 > There are some few exceptions, where a fix can't be easily backported > to the LTS branch, and so a different way of fixing a particular > serious patch needs to be applied to the LTS branch. But normally > this will be explicitly stated in the commit description, but we don't > do that in a structured way, so it might be hard for a non-LLM bot to > figure this out. On the other hand, this is a pretty advanced > technique, and it's unlikely that a new kernel developer would be > doing something like this. So we probably just ignore this case for a > newcomers-focused bot. Hi Ted, I have a patch that doesn't need to be upstreamed, as per Eric Bigger's comment[1], but needs to be in stable kernels. What is the process for doi= ng that. [1]https://lore.kernel.org/linux-integrity/0c590f6c-8ab0-f0ed-25a8-fa8a2ec6= 008e@huawei.com/ thanks, Mimi