From: Hans de Goede <hansg@kernel.org>
To: Simona Vetter <simona.vetter@ffwll.ch>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Cc: Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net>,
Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>,
"ksummit@lists.linux.dev" <ksummit@lists.linux.dev>
Subject: Re: Replacing Link trailers
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2025 14:18:57 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <f54e4750-ac02-4ba4-a485-b0926a11acd5@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKMK7uG7DjduHj7hjFi2sk11UqbFcZHuXBF_+Ea7SKbV15e00Q@mail.gmail.com>
Hi,
On 16-Oct-25 12:16 PM, Simona Vetter wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Oct 2025 at 00:22, Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org> wrote:
>> On Thu, 16 Oct 2025 00:01:38 +0200
>> Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net> wrote:
>>
>>> So yeah, circling back to "benevolent" -- for me, this has definitely
>>> broken the "benevolent" part and a lot of trust. But that's fine, I can
>>> also do a job that heavily resolves around following a manager's
>>> arbitrary whims. But my heart won't be in it.
>>
>> Yes it does appear that we all have extra work to do because one person
>> doesn't like the current method. I don't think I saw anyone else complain
>> about the "useless" link either. Maybe I missed it. But currently it's all
>> been "Alright, fine, I'll work around this" and not one "Oh Great! This is
>> most definitely helpful!", like what happened when Linus created "git".
>>
>> I'm currently looking for someone to help me with my maintainership. Masami
>> came on board, but what happened was that he basically maintains all things
>> "probe" related and I do everything else. That split still takes up more
>> time than we have designated.
>>
>> Unfortunately, I've had many people say to me "I don't ever want to be a
>> top level maintainer" and "better you than me", which makes it very
>> difficult to find a helper. This discussion isn't helping with that
>> perspective either.
>
> +1 on both Steve's observation and Johannes' entire mail.
+1 from me on both too.
Or as Geert put it: "So, can we please get our Link:-tags back, and get back
to real work (or vacation ;-)?"
Regards,
Hans
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-10-16 12:19 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-10-13 11:53 Replacing Link trailers James Bottomley
2025-10-13 12:25 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-10-13 12:48 ` James Bottomley
2025-10-13 12:50 ` Mark Brown
2025-10-13 14:52 ` Guenter Roeck
2025-10-13 17:36 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-10-14 19:12 ` Johannes Berg
2025-10-14 19:35 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-10-15 22:01 ` Johannes Berg
2025-10-15 22:22 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-10-16 10:16 ` Simona Vetter
2025-10-16 12:18 ` Hans de Goede [this message]
2025-10-16 18:39 ` David Woodhouse
2025-10-16 7:43 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-10-14 20:23 ` Doug Anderson
2025-10-16 8:08 ` Dan Carpenter
2025-10-13 15:40 ` Doug Anderson
2025-10-13 16:31 ` James Bottomley
2025-10-13 17:39 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-10-13 17:50 ` Theodore Ts'o
2025-10-13 19:07 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-10-13 19:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-10-13 19:35 ` James Bottomley
2025-10-13 19:37 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-10-13 19:36 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-10-13 20:34 ` Doug Anderson
2025-10-13 20:36 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-10-13 20:58 ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-10-13 20:59 ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-10-13 21:46 ` Doug Anderson
2025-10-14 14:23 ` Sasha Levin
2025-10-14 11:09 ` Mark Brown
2025-10-13 19:35 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-10-14 16:01 ` dan.j.williams
2025-10-14 17:46 ` Greg KH
2025-10-14 17:57 ` dan.j.williams
2025-10-15 17:09 ` dan.j.williams
2025-10-15 17:55 ` James Bottomley
2025-10-15 18:04 ` Luck, Tony
2025-10-15 18:37 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2025-10-15 19:13 ` dan.j.williams
2025-10-15 19:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-10-15 19:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-10-15 22:51 ` Doug Anderson
2025-10-16 4:26 ` Chen-Yu Tsai
2025-10-16 6:57 ` Greg KH
2025-10-16 10:04 ` Jani Nikula
2025-10-16 11:54 ` James Bottomley
2025-10-16 12:18 ` Greg KH
2025-10-16 12:29 ` James Bottomley
2025-10-16 13:00 ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2025-10-16 13:47 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-10-16 14:36 ` Mark Brown
2025-10-16 14:58 ` Rob Herring
2025-10-16 15:07 ` James Bottomley
2025-10-16 15:36 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-10-16 15:52 ` James Bottomley
2025-10-16 15:37 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-10-16 19:29 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-10-16 19:32 ` James Bottomley
2025-10-16 23:53 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-10-16 19:09 ` James Bottomley
2025-10-17 2:27 ` Doug Anderson
2025-10-17 8:44 ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-10-17 9:21 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-10-17 10:09 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2025-10-16 12:34 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-10-16 12:49 ` Mark Brown
2025-10-16 12:49 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-10-16 12:54 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-10-16 13:07 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2025-10-16 12:51 ` Jiri Kosina
2025-10-16 12:54 ` James Bottomley
2025-10-16 13:51 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-10-16 16:21 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2025-10-16 12:20 ` Steven Rostedt
2025-10-15 21:29 ` Kees Cook
2025-10-15 21:40 ` Mark Brown
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