From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Pavel Fedin Subject: RE: [RFC] Handling CP15 timer without in-kernel irqchip Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2015 13:33:14 +0300 Message-ID: <00d601d0fcfd$bf3d3790$3db7a6b0$@samsung.com> References: <00a001d0fce3$f76e2170$e64a6450$@samsung.com> <20151002112224.73e46be1@arm.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: kvmarm@lists.cs.columbia.edu, kvm@vger.kernel.org, 'Christoffer Dall' To: 'Marc Zyngier' Return-path: Received: from mailout4.w1.samsung.com ([210.118.77.14]:61790 "EHLO mailout4.w1.samsung.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750953AbbJBKdS (ORCPT ); Fri, 2 Oct 2015 06:33:18 -0400 Received: from eucpsbgm1.samsung.com (unknown [203.254.199.244]) by mailout4.w1.samsung.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.31.0 64bit (built May 5 2014)) with ESMTP id <0NVL00BK19BG7BA0@mailout4.w1.samsung.com> for kvm@vger.kernel.org; Fri, 02 Oct 2015 11:33:16 +0100 (BST) In-reply-to: <20151002112224.73e46be1@arm.com> Content-language: ru Sender: kvm-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: Hello! > - How do you find out that your guest is Linux? Yes, i agree. No way. And it's not host kernel's job anyway. > - How do you ensure that the guest will not require the virtual timer? Agree again. Except device tree, no way. If the guest has its own hardcoded assumptions, it's doomed. (*) > - Who is going to maintain this new ABI that would exist for the sole > benefit of broken hardware? The ABI is simple, just one more exit code. And it's not only for broken hardware. It is quite legitimate thing to have GICv3 without v2 backwards compatibility. > - What is wrong with exposing another, memory mapped timer and remove > the architected timer entirely? Well... qemu guys don't want to remove CP15, i already proposed it, and it was very simple thing to do. :) But, again, this is also device-tree-based, the same concern applies as to (*). Kind regards, Pavel Fedin Expert Engineer Samsung Electronics Research center Russia