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From: Rusty Russell <rusty-8n+1lVoiYb80n/F98K4Iww@public.gmane.org>
To: Avi Kivity <avi-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: kvm-devel <kvm-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: virtio & hypercall interface?
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2007 18:32:33 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1189845153.7262.94.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <46EB9245.4010005-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>

On Sat, 2007-09-15 at 11:05 +0300, Avi Kivity wrote:
> Rusty Russell wrote:
> > On Sat, 2007-09-15 at 01:31 +0300, Dor Laor wrote:
> >   
> >> Second, regardless of the channel signal notification, there are still 
> >> real necessities for userspace hypercall handling:
> >> 1. For virtio drivers there is also registration hypercall for passing 
> >> the shared memory pfns.
> >>     Sure there are other possibilities, but why limit ourselves?
> >>     
> >
> > I really prefer doing this the more "hardware-like" way and having the
> > device description say where the pages are.  Surely this is simpler from
> > the qemu side, too?
> >   
> 
> This is mmio style (device provides memory).  DMA style (guest provides
> memory, device dmas it) is easier for kvm: we don't need to allocate a
> new memory slot, and migration is easier.
> 
> Most current hardware place the descriptor ring in guest memory, not the
> device, since mmio is slower for the cpu than RAM.

But for virtual devices it seems unnecessarily convoluted: we'd have
some mmio space (or PCI config space?) to tell the device where the ring
buffer is.  That's a little nasty for lguest early printk, too.

I'm looking now at getting lguest to present a PCI bus implementation
(probably changing virtbus to a series of PCI id plus bytes for "config
space").  That's easier with a "device mem" model, since no config info
needs to go back to the host.

OTOH, with the guest memory model, guest can potentially choose size of
ring.  I don't know if that's an actual advantage (but I have code now
which makes the ring size variable).

Rusty.


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-09-15  8:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-09-13  6:21 virtio & hypercall interface? Rusty Russell
     [not found] ` <1189664514.32322.14.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2007-09-13 19:21   ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]     ` <46E98DC0.3050509-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-09-13 21:26       ` Rusty Russell
     [not found]         ` <1189718818.32322.41.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2007-09-13 21:41           ` Anthony Liguori
2007-09-13 20:33   ` Dor Laor
     [not found]     ` <64F9B87B6B770947A9F8391472E032160DA17EF2-yEcIvxbTEBqsx+V+t5oei8rau4O3wl8o3fe8/T/H7NteoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>
2007-09-13 20:45       ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]         ` <46E9A17D.5040205-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-09-14 16:46           ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]             ` <46EABAD0.40300-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-09-14 22:31               ` Dor Laor
     [not found]                 ` <46EB0BD8.6040000-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-09-15  3:06                   ` Rusty Russell
     [not found]                     ` <1189825560.7262.77.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2007-09-15  8:05                       ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                         ` <46EB9245.4010005-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-09-15  8:32                           ` Rusty Russell [this message]
     [not found]                             ` <1189845153.7262.94.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2007-09-15  9:38                               ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                 ` <46EBA806.6070507-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-09-16  7:50                                   ` Rusty Russell
     [not found]                                     ` <1189929012.7262.105.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2007-09-16  8:57                                       ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                                         ` <46ECEFEE.6000208-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-09-16  9:35                                           ` Rusty Russell
     [not found]                                             ` <1189935324.7262.120.camel-bi+AKbBUZKY6gyzm1THtWbp2dZbC/Bob@public.gmane.org>
2007-09-16  9:45                                               ` Avi Kivity
2007-09-15  7:59                   ` Avi Kivity
2007-09-15 17:31                   ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found]                     ` <46EC1709.2080803-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2007-09-15 21:56                       ` Dor Laor
     [not found]                         ` <46EC5515.2020004-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-09-15 22:49                           ` Anthony Liguori
2007-09-14 16:44   ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]     ` <46EABA59.10808-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2007-09-14 16:49       ` Anthony Liguori

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