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From: Milton Miller <miltonm@bga.com>
To: Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>
Cc: linuxppc-dev <linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org>,
	Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
	kvm-ppc@vger.kernel.org, KVM list <kvm@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 26/26] KVM: PPC: Add Documentation about PV interface
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 02:18:51 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1277709531_13308@mail4.comsite.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <07C9A4B8-881A-438C-AA99-AEC23887C6B8@suse.de>

On Sun Jun 27 around 19:33:52 EST 2010 Alexander Graf wrote:
> Am 27.06.2010 um 10:14 schrieb Avi Kivity <avi at redhat.com>:
> > On 06/26/2010 02:25 AM, Alexander Graf wrote:

> > > +
> > > +PPC hypercalls
> > > +==============
> > > +
> > > +The only viable ways to reliably get from guest context to host  
> > > context are:
> > > +
> > > +    1) Call an invalid instruction
> > > +    2) Call the "sc" instruction with a parameter to "sc"
> > > +    3) Call the "sc" instruction with parameters in GPRs
> > > +
> > > +Method 1 is always a bad idea. Invalid instructions can be  
> > > replaced later on
> > > +by valid instructions, rendering the interface broken.
> > > +
> > > +Method 2 also has downfalls. If the parameter to "sc" is != 0 the  
> > > spec is
> > > +rather unclear if the sc is targeted directly for the hypervisor  
> > > or the
> > > +supervisor. It would also require that we read the syscall issuing  
> > > instruction
> > > +every time a syscall is issued, slowing down guest syscalls.
> > > +

It goes to the hypervisor, and it would require the hypervisor to
return to the supervisor, but I believe it just returns to the user with
permission denied.

> > > +Method 3 is what KVM uses. We pass magic constants  
> > > (KVM_SC_MAGIC_R3 and
> > > +KVM_SC_MAGIC_R4) in r3 and r4 respectively. If a syscall  
> > > instruction with these
> > > +magic values arrives from the guest's kernel mode, we take the  
> > > syscall as a
> > > +hypercall.
> > >
> >
> > Is there any chance a normal syscall will have those values in r3  
> > and r4?
> 
> r3 is the syscall number. So as long as the guest doesn't reuse that  
> value, we're safe. Since in general syscall numbers are not randomly  
> scattered throughout the number range, we should be ok here.
> 

No, r0 has the system call number.  Registers 3 and 4 are the first
2 args in c abi (or first 64 bit arg in 32 bit c abi), but the linux
syscall abi special.  (In addition, it returns success or failure in
cr0).

> >
> > If so, maybe it's better to use pc as they key for hypercalls.  Let  
> > the guest designate one instruction address as the hypercall call  
> > point; kvm can easily check it and reflect it back to the guest if  
> > it doesn't match.
> >
> 
> You mean the guest would tell the hv where the hypercall lies? That  
> would require a hypercall, no? Defining it statically is tricky. I  
> want to PV'nize osx using a kernel module later, so I don't have  
> control over the physical layout.
> 
> > Is it valid and useful to issue sc from privileged mode anyway,  
> > except for calling the hypervisor?
> 
> Same as a syscall on x86 really. The kernel can and does issue  
> syscalls within itself.
> 
> 

I don't believe we support the kernel actually doing a syscall to itself
anymore, at least on powerpc.  The callers call the underlying system
call function, or kernel_thread.

That said, I would suggest we allocate a syscall number for this, as it
would document the usage.  (In additon to 0..nr_syscalls - 1 we have
0x1ebe in use).

Also, is there any desire to nest such emulation?

milton

  reply	other threads:[~2010-06-28  7:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-06-25 23:24 [PATCH 00/26] KVM PPC PV framework Alexander Graf
2010-06-25 23:24 ` [PATCH 01/26] KVM: PPC: Introduce shared page Alexander Graf
     [not found]   ` <1277508314-915-2-git-send-email-agraf-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-27 12:12     ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]       ` <4C274028.7020105-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-29  9:54         ` Alexander Graf
2010-06-29 10:55           ` Avi Kivity
     [not found] ` <1277508314-915-1-git-send-email-agraf-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-25 23:24   ` [PATCH 02/26] KVM: PPC: Convert MSR to " Alexander Graf
     [not found]     ` <1277508314-915-3-git-send-email-agraf-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-27  8:16       ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]         ` <4C2708EB.9020500-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-27  9:38           ` Alexander Graf
     [not found]             ` <651805F1-54AB-466F-8D23-D053D8082177-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-27  9:50               ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                 ` <4C271EE5.1060401-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-27 10:40                   ` Alexander Graf
2010-06-25 23:24   ` [PATCH 04/26] KVM: PPC: Convert DAR " Alexander Graf
2010-06-25 23:24   ` [PATCH 08/26] KVM: PPC: Add PV guest critical sections Alexander Graf
     [not found]     ` <1277508314-915-9-git-send-email-agraf-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-27  8:21       ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]         ` <4C2709F4.10805-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-27  9:40           ` Alexander Graf
2010-06-27  9:52             ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-27 10:33               ` Alexander Graf
     [not found]                 ` <DFC77851-3BE7-4746-93DE-287D5E27EF7D-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-27 10:59                   ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                     ` <4C272F08.8090709-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-27 11:49                       ` Alexander Graf
2010-06-27 11:53                         ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                           ` <4C273BAD.2090305-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-27 12:06                             ` Alexander Graf
2010-06-27 22:03                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-06-27 10:03       ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]         ` <4C27220D.7090508-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-27 10:35           ` Alexander Graf
2010-06-25 23:25   ` [PATCH 13/26] KVM: PPC: Magic Page Book3s support Alexander Graf
2010-06-25 23:25   ` [PATCH 14/26] KVM: PPC: Magic Page BookE support Alexander Graf
2010-06-25 23:25   ` [PATCH 17/26] KVM: PPC: Generic KVM PV guest support Alexander Graf
2010-06-25 23:25   ` [PATCH 19/26] KVM: PPC: PV instructions to loads and stores Alexander Graf
2010-06-25 23:25   ` [PATCH 20/26] KVM: PPC: PV tlbsync to nop Alexander Graf
2010-06-25 23:25   ` [PATCH 22/26] KVM: PPC: PV assembler helpers Alexander Graf
2010-06-25 23:25   ` [PATCH 24/26] KVM: PPC: PV mtmsrd L=0 and mtmsr Alexander Graf
     [not found]     ` <1277508314-915-25-git-send-email-agraf-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-26 17:03       ` Segher Boessenkool
     [not found]         ` <EDF0A567-C440-4F1B-9AF5-2E0F8203D566-XVmvHMARGAS8U2dJNN8I7kB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-27  9:10           ` Alexander Graf
2010-06-29  7:37             ` Segher Boessenkool
2010-06-25 23:25   ` [PATCH 26/26] KVM: PPC: Add Documentation about PV interface Alexander Graf
2010-06-27  8:14     ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]       ` <4C270876.2050806-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-27  9:33         ` Alexander Graf
2010-06-28  7:18           ` Milton Miller [this message]
     [not found]             ` <1277709531_13308-qolCYAvwHvWlVDA81TZ6el6hYfS7NtTn@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-28  7:49               ` Alexander Graf
     [not found]                 ` <92F4A3F3-A89F-418D-BD4D-66E2489F2E42-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-28  8:13                   ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                     ` <4C285991.1050303-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-28  8:21                       ` Alexander Graf
     [not found]                         ` <4330E5DC-63C5-40EA-9E99-34EE58074D1A-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-28  8:32                           ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]     ` <1277508314-915-27-git-send-email-agraf-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-27  8:34       ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-27  9:49         ` Alexander Graf
2010-06-25 23:24 ` [PATCH 03/26] KVM: PPC: Convert DSISR to shared page Alexander Graf
2010-06-25 23:24 ` [PATCH 05/26] KVM: PPC: Convert SRR0 and SRR1 " Alexander Graf
2010-06-25 23:24 ` [PATCH 06/26] KVM: PPC: Convert SPRG[0-4] " Alexander Graf
2010-06-25 23:24 ` [PATCH 07/26] KVM: PPC: Implement hypervisor interface Alexander Graf
2010-06-25 23:24 ` [PATCH 09/26] KVM: PPC: Add PV guest scratch registers Alexander Graf
     [not found]   ` <1277508314-915-10-git-send-email-agraf-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-27  8:22     ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]       ` <4C270A34.4020706-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-27  9:41         ` Alexander Graf
     [not found]           ` <27BB673F-F34E-4CC6-A22D-02CF95E7529F-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-27  9:53             ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-25 23:24 ` [PATCH 10/26] KVM: PPC: Tell guest about pending interrupts Alexander Graf
2010-06-25 23:24 ` [PATCH 11/26] KVM: PPC: Make RMO a define Alexander Graf
     [not found]   ` <1277508314-915-12-git-send-email-agraf-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-26 16:52     ` Segher Boessenkool
     [not found]       ` <2078D8A9-7D36-4B5D-A779-9BBAB545A53D-XVmvHMARGAS8U2dJNN8I7kB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-27  9:08         ` Alexander Graf
     [not found]           ` <9B84B663-7DC6-4543-96F7-23F77106065C-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-29  7:32             ` Segher Boessenkool
     [not found]               ` <07830DA6-1B53-4E84-A0E2-8449289C71F1-XVmvHMARGAS8U2dJNN8I7kB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-29  7:39                 ` Alexander Graf
2010-06-29  7:52                   ` Segher Boessenkool
     [not found]                     ` <1550A5F0-3A22-48ED-8251-96328E2FEAE3-XVmvHMARGAS8U2dJNN8I7kB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-29  8:04                       ` Alexander Graf
2010-06-25 23:25 ` [PATCH 12/26] KVM: PPC: First magic page steps Alexander Graf
     [not found]   ` <1277508314-915-13-git-send-email-agraf-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-27  8:24     ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-27  9:44       ` Alexander Graf
2010-06-25 23:25 ` [PATCH 15/26] KVM: PPC: Expose magic page support to guest Alexander Graf
2010-06-25 23:25 ` [PATCH 16/26] KVM: Move kvm_guest_init out of generic code Alexander Graf
2010-06-25 23:25 ` [PATCH 18/26] KVM: PPC: KVM PV guest stubs Alexander Graf
     [not found]   ` <1277508314-915-19-git-send-email-agraf-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-27  8:28     ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]       ` <4C270BB8.60404-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-27  9:47         ` Alexander Graf
2010-06-27 10:16           ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]             ` <4C272503.7030605-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-27 10:38               ` Alexander Graf
2010-06-27 22:04           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-06-28  4:39     ` Matt Evans
     [not found]       ` <4C282794.1040209-mnsaURCQ41sdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-28  6:33         ` Alexander Graf
2010-06-28  8:15           ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]             ` <4C285A13.8070208-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-28  8:23               ` Alexander Graf
     [not found]                 ` <AD79CD04-74CF-49B9-BACC-4C190DF5214A-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-28  8:33                   ` Avi Kivity
2010-06-25 23:25 ` [PATCH 21/26] KVM: PPC: Introduce kvm_tmp framework Alexander Graf
2010-06-25 23:25 ` [PATCH 23/26] KVM: PPC: PV mtmsrd L=1 Alexander Graf
2010-06-25 23:25 ` [PATCH 25/26] KVM: PPC: PV wrteei Alexander Graf

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