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From: Rik van Riel <riel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: Pankaj Gupta <pagupta-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi
	<stefanha-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Kevin Wolf <kwolf-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	xiaoguangrong eric
	<xiaoguangrong.eric-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	kvm-devel <kvm-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-nvdimm-hn68Rpc1hR1g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-nvdimm-y27Ovi1pjclAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>,
	Qemu Developers
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	Stefan Hajnoczi
	<stefanha-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Nitesh Narayan Lal
	<nilal-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: KVM "fake DAX" flushing interface - discussion
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 10:00:35 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1500645635.4073.25.camel@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <46101617.33460557.1500643755247.JavaMail.zimbra-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>

On Fri, 2017-07-21 at 09:29 -0400, Pankaj Gupta wrote:
> > > 
> > >      - Flush hint address traps from guest to host and do an
> > > entire fsync
> > >        on backing file which itself is costly.
> > > 
> > >      - Can be used to flush specific pages on host backing disk.
> > > We can
> > >        send data(pages information) equal to cache-line
> > > size(limitation)
> > >        and tell host to sync corresponding pages instead of
> > > entire disk
> > >        sync.
> > 
> > Are you sure?  Your previous point says only the entire device can
> > be
> > synced.  The NVDIMM Adress Flush Hints interface does not involve
> > address range information.
> 
> Just syncing entire block device should be simple but costly.

Costly depends on just how fast the backing IO device is.

If the backing IO is a spinning disk, doing targeted range
syncs will certainly be faster.

On the other hand, if the backing IO is one of the latest
generation SSD devices, it may be faster to have just one
hypercall and flush everything, than it would be to have
separate sync calls for each range that we want flushed.

Should we design our interfaces for yesterday's storage
devices, or for tomorrow's storage devices?
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-07-21 14:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <1455443283.33337333.1500618150787.JavaMail.zimbra@redhat.com>
     [not found] ` <1455443283.33337333.1500618150787.JavaMail.zimbra-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-21  6:56   ` KVM "fake DAX" flushing interface - discussion Pankaj Gupta
2017-07-21  9:51     ` Haozhong Zhang
2017-07-21 10:21       ` Pankaj Gupta
2017-07-21 12:12     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2017-07-21 13:29       ` Pankaj Gupta
     [not found]         ` <46101617.33460557.1500643755247.JavaMail.zimbra-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-21 14:00           ` Rik van Riel [this message]
2017-07-21 15:58         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
     [not found]           ` <20170721155848.GO18014-lxVrvc10SDRcolVlb+j0YCZi+YwRKgec@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-22 19:34             ` Dan Williams
     [not found]               ` <CAPcyv4gtWYpzbmggsbdLocPiMzU2rVt-ee+kL24gbrPxKd5Eyw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-23 14:04                 ` Rik van Riel
     [not found]                   ` <1500818683.4073.31.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-23 16:01                     ` Dan Williams
     [not found]                       ` <CAPcyv4h5O4D2kp6SJhWiz4V=dOLDa_Q3pk2B=u-x7hKKQqdXsQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-23 18:10                         ` Rik van Riel
2017-07-23 20:10                           ` Dan Williams
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2017-07-24 10:23                               ` Jan Kara
     [not found]                                 ` <20170724102330.GE652-4I4JzKEfoa/jFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-24 12:06                                   ` Pankaj Gupta
2017-07-24 12:37                                     ` Jan Kara
     [not found]                                       ` <20170724123752.GN652-4I4JzKEfoa/jFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-24 15:10                                         ` Dan Williams
2017-07-24 15:48                                           ` Jan Kara
2017-07-24 16:19                                             ` Dan Williams
2017-07-25 14:27                                       ` Pankaj Gupta
     [not found]                                         ` <1888117852.34216619.1500992835767.JavaMail.zimbra-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-25 14:46                                           ` Dan Williams
2017-07-25 20:59                                             ` Rik van Riel
     [not found]                                               ` <1501016375.26846.21.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-26 13:47                                                 ` Pankaj Gupta
2017-07-26 21:27                                                   ` Rik van Riel
2017-07-26 21:40                                                     ` Dan Williams
2017-07-26 23:46                                                       ` Rik van Riel
     [not found]                                                         ` <1501112787.4073.49.camel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2017-07-27  0:54                                                           ` Dan Williams
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2017-10-31  7:13                                                               ` Xiao Guangrong
2017-10-31 14:20                                                                 ` Dan Williams
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2017-11-01  3:43                                                                     ` Xiao Guangrong
2017-11-01  4:25                                                                       ` Dan Williams
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2017-11-01  6:46                                                                           ` Xiao Guangrong
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2017-11-01 15:20                                                                               ` Dan Williams
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2017-11-02  8:50                                                                                   ` Xiao Guangrong
2017-11-02 16:30                                                                                     ` Dan Williams
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2017-11-03  6:21                                                                                         ` Xiao Guangrong
2017-11-21 18:19                                                                                           ` Rik van Riel
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2017-11-21 18:26                                                                                               ` Dan Williams
2017-11-21 18:35                                                                                                 ` Rik van Riel
2017-11-23  4:05                                                                                             ` Xiao Guangrong
2017-11-23 16:14                                                                                               ` Dan Williams
2017-11-23 16:28                                                                                                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-11-24 12:40                                                                                                   ` Pankaj Gupta
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2017-11-24 12:44                                                                                                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-11-24 13:02                                                                                                         ` [Qemu-devel] " Pankaj Gupta
2017-11-24 13:20                                                                                                           ` Paolo Bonzini
2017-11-28 18:03                                                                                                     ` Dan Williams
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2018-01-13  6:23                                                                                                         ` Pankaj Gupta
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2018-01-17 16:17                                                                                                             ` Dan Williams
2018-01-17 17:31                                                                                                               ` Pankaj Gupta
2018-01-18 16:53                                                                                                     ` David Hildenbrand
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2018-01-18 17:38                                                                                                         ` Dan Williams
2018-01-18 17:48                                                                                                           ` David Hildenbrand
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2018-01-18 18:45                                                                                                               ` Dan Williams
2018-01-18 18:54                                                                                                             ` Pankaj Gupta
2018-01-18 18:59                                                                                                               ` Dan Williams
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2018-01-18 19:36                                                                                                                   ` Pankaj Gupta
2018-01-18 19:48                                                                                                                     ` Dan Williams
2018-01-18 19:51                                                                                                                   ` David Hildenbrand
2018-01-18 20:11                                                                                                                     ` Dan Williams
2017-11-06  7:57                                                                                       ` [Qemu-devel] " Pankaj Gupta
2017-11-06 16:57                                                                                         ` Dan Williams
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2017-11-07 11:21                                                                                             ` Pankaj Gupta

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