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From: "Nikolai K. Bochev" <n.bochev@grandstarco.com>
Subject: Re: KVM usability
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 15:37:06 +0200 (EET)
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I don't see where this argument is leading to. So far there are arguments that qemu/kvm sucks as a desktop virtualization, now suddenly the gui tools are shitty and everything should be done cli , because there's no man pages for virt-manager. Explain.

----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>, Yanmin Zhang <yanmin_zhang@linux.intel.com>, ming m lin <ming.m.lin@intel.com>, sheng yang <sheng.yang@intel.com>, Jes Sorensen <Jes.Sorensen@redhat.com>, KVM General <kvm@vger.kernel.org>, Zachary Amsden <zamsden@redhat.com>, Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>, Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@redhat.com>, Fr??d??ric Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>, H. Peter Anvin <hpa@zytor.com>, Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>, Cole Robinson <crobinso@redhat.com>
Sent: Tue, 02 Mar 2010 12:11:06 +0200 (EET)
Subject: Re: KVM usability
On Mon, 2010-03-01 at 09:14 -0600, Anthony Liguori wrote:
> The real 
> question to ask is, why are you using qemu directly instead of using 
> virt-manager? 
Because I suspect Ingo, like me, is a command line user, launching a gui
to start kvm when there is a kvm command around just sounds daft.
Also, I just installed and tried it, virt-manager is a total piece of
shit, I wouldn't even know how to begin telling it how to start my
freshly baked kernel with serial console on stdio and some block image I
just created from the gentoo stage3 tarball.
That is, after 5 minutes clicking I have no idea how to even launch an
ISO with the thing, I prefer reading the kvm manpage over using some
mouse only gui crap like that.
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