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From: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
To: Christoph Lameter <clameter-sJ/iWh9BUns@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Nick Piggin <npiggin-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra
	<a.p.zijlstra-/NLkJaSkS4VmR6Xm/wNWPw@public.gmane.org>,
	kvm-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt
	<benh-XVmvHMARGAS8U2dJNN8I7kB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>,
	Jack Steiner <steiner-sJ/iWh9BUns@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Avi Kivity <avi-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-mm-Bw31MaZKKs3YtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org,
	daniel.blueman-xqY44rlHlBpWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org,
	Robin Holt <holt-sJ/iWh9BUns@public.gmane.org>,
	Hugh Dickins <hugh-DTz5qymZ9yRBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [patch 1/6] mmu_notifier: Core code
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 01:12:58 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080131001258.GD7185@v2.random> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0801301552210.1722-RYO/mD75kfhx2SFC9UQUAuF7EQX82lMiAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>

On Wed, Jan 30, 2008 at 03:55:37PM -0800, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> On Thu, 31 Jan 2008, Andrea Arcangeli wrote:
> 
> > > I think Andrea's original concept of the lock in the mmu_notifier_head
> > > structure was the best.  I agree with him that it should be a spinlock
> > > instead of the rw_lock.
> > 
> > BTW, I don't see the scalability concern with huge number of tasks:
> > the lock is still in the mm, down_write(mm->mmap_sem); oneinstruction;
> > up_write(mm->mmap_sem) is always going to scale worse than
> > spin_lock(mm->somethingelse); oneinstruction;
> > spin_unlock(mm->somethinglese).
> 
> If we put it elsewhere in the mm then we increase the size of the memory 
> used in the mm_struct.

Yes, and it will increase of the same amount of RAM that you pretend
everyone to pay even if MMU_NOTIFIER=n after your patch is applied (vs
mine that generated 0 ram utilization increase when
MMU_NOTIFIER=n). And the additional ram will provide not just
self-contained locking but higher scalability too.

I think it's much more important to generate zero ram and CPU overhead
for the embedded (this is something I was very careful to enforce in
all my patches), than to reduce scalability and not having a self
contained locking on full configurations with MMU_NOTIFIER=y.

> Hmmmm.. exit_mmap is only called when the last reference is removed 
> against the mm right? So no tasks are running anymore. No pages are left. 
> Do we need to serialize at all for mmu_notifier_release?

KVM sure doesn't need any locking there.  I thought somebody had to
possibly take a pin on the "mm_count" and pretend to call
mmu_notifier_register at will until mmdrop was finally called, in a
out of order fashion given mmu_notifier_release was implemented like
if the list could change from under it. Note mmdrop != mmput. mmput
and in turn mm_users is the serialization point if you prefer to drop
all locking from _release. Nobody must ever attempt a mmu_notifier_*
after calling mmput for that mm. That should be enough to be
safe. I'm fine either ways...

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-01-31  0:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-01-30  2:29 [patch 0/6] [RFC] MMU Notifiers V3 Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30  2:29 ` [patch 1/6] mmu_notifier: Core code Christoph Lameter
     [not found]   ` <20080130022944.236370194-sJ/iWh9BUns@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-30 15:37     ` Andrea Arcangeli
     [not found]       ` <20080130153749.GN7233-lysg2Xt5kKMAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-30 15:53         ` Jack Steiner
     [not found]           ` <20080130155306.GA13746-sJ/iWh9BUns@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-30 16:38             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-30 19:19             ` Christoph Lameter
     [not found]               ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0801301116510.27491-RYO/mD75kfhx2SFC9UQUAuF7EQX82lMiAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-30 22:20                 ` Robin Holt
     [not found]                   ` <20080130222035.GX26420-sJ/iWh9BUns@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-30 23:38                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-30 23:55                       ` Christoph Lameter
     [not found]                         ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0801301552210.1722-RYO/mD75kfhx2SFC9UQUAuF7EQX82lMiAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-31  0:12                           ` Andrea Arcangeli [this message]
     [not found]                             ` <20080131001258.GD7185-lysg2Xt5kKMAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-31  1:27                               ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30 17:10       ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-01-30 19:28         ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30 18:02     ` Robin Holt
     [not found]       ` <20080130180207.GU26420-sJ/iWh9BUns@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-30 19:08         ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30 19:14         ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30  2:29 ` [patch 2/6] mmu_notifier: Callbacks to invalidate address ranges Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30  2:29 ` [patch 3/6] mmu_notifier: invalidate_page callbacks for subsystems with rmap Christoph Lameter
     [not found]   ` <20080130022944.699753910-sJ/iWh9BUns@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-30 18:03     ` Robin Holt
2008-01-30  2:29 ` [patch 4/6] MMU notifier: invalidate_page callbacks using Linux rmaps Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30  2:29 ` [patch 5/6] mmu_notifier: Callbacks for xip_filemap.c Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30  2:29 ` [patch 6/6] mmu_notifier: Add invalidate_all() Christoph Lameter
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-02-15  6:48 [ofa-general] [patch 0/6] MMU Notifiers V7 Christoph Lameter
2008-02-15  6:49 ` [patch 1/6] mmu_notifier: Core code Christoph Lameter
2008-02-16  3:37   ` [ofa-general] " Andrew Morton
2008-02-16  8:45     ` Avi Kivity
2008-02-16  8:56       ` [ofa-general] " Andrew Morton
2008-02-16  9:21         ` Avi Kivity
2008-02-16 19:21     ` [ofa-general] " Christoph Lameter
2008-02-17  3:01       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-17 12:24         ` Robin Holt
2008-02-17  5:04     ` Doug Maxey
2008-02-08 22:06 [patch 0/6] MMU Notifiers V6 Christoph Lameter
2008-02-08 22:06 ` [patch 1/6] mmu_notifier: Core code Christoph Lameter
2008-01-28 20:28 [patch 0/6] [RFC] MMU Notifiers V2 Christoph Lameter
2008-01-28 20:28 ` [patch 1/6] mmu_notifier: Core code Christoph Lameter
     [not found]   ` <20080128202923.609249585-sJ/iWh9BUns@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-28 22:06     ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-29  0:05     ` Robin Holt
     [not found]       ` <20080129000534.GT3058-sJ/iWh9BUns@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-29  1:19         ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-29 13:59     ` Andrea Arcangeli
     [not found]       ` <20080129135914.GF7233-lysg2Xt5kKMAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-29 14:34         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-29 19:49         ` Christoph Lameter
     [not found]           ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0801291148080.24807-RYO/mD75kfhx2SFC9UQUAuF7EQX82lMiAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-29 20:41             ` Avi Kivity
2008-01-29 16:07     ` Robin Holt
2008-02-05 18:05     ` Andy Whitcroft
2008-02-05 18:17       ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]       ` <20080205180557.GC29502-26w3C0LaAnFg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2008-02-05 18:19         ` Christoph Lameter

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