From: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
To: Christoph Lameter <clameter-sJ/iWh9BUns@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Nick Piggin <npiggin-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>,
Peter Zijlstra
<a.p.zijlstra-/NLkJaSkS4VmR6Xm/wNWPw@public.gmane.org>,
kvm-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f@public.gmane.org,
Benjamin Herrenschmidt
<benh-XVmvHMARGAS8U2dJNN8I7kB+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org>,
Jack Steiner <steiner-sJ/iWh9BUns@public.gmane.org>,
linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
Avi Kivity <avi-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
linux-mm-Bw31MaZKKs3YtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org,
daniel.blueman-xqY44rlHlBpWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org,
Robin Holt <holt-sJ/iWh9BUns@public.gmane.org>,
Hugh Dickins <hugh-DTz5qymZ9yRBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [patch 1/6] mmu_notifier: Core code
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 01:12:58 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080131001258.GD7185@v2.random> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0801301552210.1722-RYO/mD75kfhx2SFC9UQUAuF7EQX82lMiAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
On Wed, Jan 30, 2008 at 03:55:37PM -0800, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> On Thu, 31 Jan 2008, Andrea Arcangeli wrote:
>
> > > I think Andrea's original concept of the lock in the mmu_notifier_head
> > > structure was the best. I agree with him that it should be a spinlock
> > > instead of the rw_lock.
> >
> > BTW, I don't see the scalability concern with huge number of tasks:
> > the lock is still in the mm, down_write(mm->mmap_sem); oneinstruction;
> > up_write(mm->mmap_sem) is always going to scale worse than
> > spin_lock(mm->somethingelse); oneinstruction;
> > spin_unlock(mm->somethinglese).
>
> If we put it elsewhere in the mm then we increase the size of the memory
> used in the mm_struct.
Yes, and it will increase of the same amount of RAM that you pretend
everyone to pay even if MMU_NOTIFIER=n after your patch is applied (vs
mine that generated 0 ram utilization increase when
MMU_NOTIFIER=n). And the additional ram will provide not just
self-contained locking but higher scalability too.
I think it's much more important to generate zero ram and CPU overhead
for the embedded (this is something I was very careful to enforce in
all my patches), than to reduce scalability and not having a self
contained locking on full configurations with MMU_NOTIFIER=y.
> Hmmmm.. exit_mmap is only called when the last reference is removed
> against the mm right? So no tasks are running anymore. No pages are left.
> Do we need to serialize at all for mmu_notifier_release?
KVM sure doesn't need any locking there. I thought somebody had to
possibly take a pin on the "mm_count" and pretend to call
mmu_notifier_register at will until mmdrop was finally called, in a
out of order fashion given mmu_notifier_release was implemented like
if the list could change from under it. Note mmdrop != mmput. mmput
and in turn mm_users is the serialization point if you prefer to drop
all locking from _release. Nobody must ever attempt a mmu_notifier_*
after calling mmput for that mm. That should be enough to be
safe. I'm fine either ways...
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Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-01-30 2:29 [patch 0/6] [RFC] MMU Notifiers V3 Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30 2:29 ` [patch 1/6] mmu_notifier: Core code Christoph Lameter
[not found] ` <20080130022944.236370194-sJ/iWh9BUns@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-30 15:37 ` Andrea Arcangeli
[not found] ` <20080130153749.GN7233-lysg2Xt5kKMAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-30 15:53 ` Jack Steiner
[not found] ` <20080130155306.GA13746-sJ/iWh9BUns@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-30 16:38 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-30 19:19 ` Christoph Lameter
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0801301116510.27491-RYO/mD75kfhx2SFC9UQUAuF7EQX82lMiAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-30 22:20 ` Robin Holt
[not found] ` <20080130222035.GX26420-sJ/iWh9BUns@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-30 23:38 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-30 23:55 ` Christoph Lameter
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0801301552210.1722-RYO/mD75kfhx2SFC9UQUAuF7EQX82lMiAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-31 0:12 ` Andrea Arcangeli [this message]
[not found] ` <20080131001258.GD7185-lysg2Xt5kKMAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-31 1:27 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30 17:10 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-01-30 19:28 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30 18:02 ` Robin Holt
[not found] ` <20080130180207.GU26420-sJ/iWh9BUns@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-30 19:08 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30 19:14 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30 2:29 ` [patch 2/6] mmu_notifier: Callbacks to invalidate address ranges Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30 2:29 ` [patch 3/6] mmu_notifier: invalidate_page callbacks for subsystems with rmap Christoph Lameter
[not found] ` <20080130022944.699753910-sJ/iWh9BUns@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-30 18:03 ` Robin Holt
2008-01-30 2:29 ` [patch 4/6] MMU notifier: invalidate_page callbacks using Linux rmaps Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30 2:29 ` [patch 5/6] mmu_notifier: Callbacks for xip_filemap.c Christoph Lameter
2008-01-30 2:29 ` [patch 6/6] mmu_notifier: Add invalidate_all() Christoph Lameter
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-02-15 6:48 [ofa-general] [patch 0/6] MMU Notifiers V7 Christoph Lameter
2008-02-15 6:49 ` [patch 1/6] mmu_notifier: Core code Christoph Lameter
2008-02-16 3:37 ` [ofa-general] " Andrew Morton
2008-02-16 8:45 ` Avi Kivity
2008-02-16 8:56 ` [ofa-general] " Andrew Morton
2008-02-16 9:21 ` Avi Kivity
2008-02-16 19:21 ` [ofa-general] " Christoph Lameter
2008-02-17 3:01 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-02-17 12:24 ` Robin Holt
2008-02-17 5:04 ` Doug Maxey
2008-02-08 22:06 [patch 0/6] MMU Notifiers V6 Christoph Lameter
2008-02-08 22:06 ` [patch 1/6] mmu_notifier: Core code Christoph Lameter
2008-01-28 20:28 [patch 0/6] [RFC] MMU Notifiers V2 Christoph Lameter
2008-01-28 20:28 ` [patch 1/6] mmu_notifier: Core code Christoph Lameter
[not found] ` <20080128202923.609249585-sJ/iWh9BUns@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-28 22:06 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-29 0:05 ` Robin Holt
[not found] ` <20080129000534.GT3058-sJ/iWh9BUns@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-29 1:19 ` Christoph Lameter
2008-01-29 13:59 ` Andrea Arcangeli
[not found] ` <20080129135914.GF7233-lysg2Xt5kKMAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-29 14:34 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2008-01-29 19:49 ` Christoph Lameter
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.0801291148080.24807-RYO/mD75kfhx2SFC9UQUAuF7EQX82lMiAL8bYrjMMd8@public.gmane.org>
2008-01-29 20:41 ` Avi Kivity
2008-01-29 16:07 ` Robin Holt
2008-02-05 18:05 ` Andy Whitcroft
2008-02-05 18:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
[not found] ` <20080205180557.GC29502-26w3C0LaAnFg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
2008-02-05 18:19 ` Christoph Lameter
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