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From: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
To: Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>
Cc: Mark McLoughlin <markmc@redhat.com>,
	Avi Kivity <avi@qumranet.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/5] kvm: qemu: Use vringfd to eliminate copies
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 15:43:42 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200806181543.42520.rusty@rustcorp.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4856728F.4020501@us.ibm.com>

On Tuesday 17 June 2008 00:02:55 Anthony Liguori wrote:
> There's nothing that prevents zero-copy to be implemented for tun
> without vringfd.  In fact, I seem to recall that your earlier patches
> implemented zero-copy :-)

They didn't actually work.  You need to block until the data isn't being used 
any more (thread pool anyone?), or implement an aio interface.

> I like the vringfd model and I think it's a good way to move forward.
> My concern is that it introduces an extra syscall in the TX path.  Right
> now, we do a single write call whereas with vringfd we need to insert
> the TX packet into the queue, do a notify, and then wait for indication
> that the TX has succeeded.

If the guest wants notification of xmit, yes you need another syscall for 
that.  But it often doesn't (note: current vring tun ignored the NO_NOTIFY 
flag, but one thing at a time).

> I know we'll win with TSO but we don't need vringfd for TSO.  The jury's
> still out IMHO as to whether we should do vringfd or just try to merge
> TSO tun patches.

Note that we can do TSO in userspace, too.  No syscall reduction, but an VM 
exit reduction.

Cheers,
Rusty.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-06-18  5:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-06-13 13:57 [PATCH 0/0][RFC] KVM use of vringfd Mark McLoughlin
2008-06-13 13:57 ` [PATCH 1/5] vring: Replace mmap() interface with ioctl() Mark McLoughlin
2008-06-13 13:57   ` [PATCH 2/5] lguest: Use VRINGSETINFO ioctl() instead of mmap() Mark McLoughlin
2008-06-13 13:57     ` [PATCH 3/5] kvm: qemu: Publish last_avail index in the ring Mark McLoughlin
2008-06-13 13:58       ` [PATCH 4/5] kvm: qemu: Use vringfd to eliminate copies Mark McLoughlin
2008-06-13 13:58         ` [PATCH 5/5] kvm: qemu: Add support for partial csums and GSO Mark McLoughlin
2008-06-14 23:28         ` [PATCH 4/5] kvm: qemu: Use vringfd to eliminate copies Anthony Liguori
2008-06-16  2:10           ` Rusty Russell
2008-06-16 14:02             ` Anthony Liguori
2008-06-16 14:58               ` Avi Kivity
2008-06-18  5:43               ` Rusty Russell [this message]
2008-06-18 14:01             ` Avi Kivity
2008-06-17 14:08           ` Mark McLoughlin
2008-06-17 14:54             ` Anthony Liguori
2008-06-17 15:45               ` Mark McLoughlin
2008-06-13 14:09   ` [PATCH 1/5] vring: Replace mmap() interface with ioctl() Avi Kivity
2008-06-17 12:19     ` Mark McLoughlin
2008-06-18 14:05       ` Avi Kivity
2008-06-14  9:02   ` Rusty Russell
2008-06-14 14:20     ` Avi Kivity
2008-06-14 23:23       ` Anthony Liguori
2008-06-15 15:24         ` Avi Kivity
2008-06-15 19:13           ` Anthony Liguori

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