Re: [PATCH] AF_VMCHANNEL address family for guest<->host communication.

Stephen Hemminger
2008-12-15T23:13:23Z

On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:01:14 -0600
Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws> wrote:

> David Miller wrote:
> > From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
> > Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:44:26 -0600
> >
> >
> >> We want this communication mechanism to be simple and reliable as we
> >> want to implement the backends drivers in the host userspace with
> >> minimum mess.
> >>
> >
> > One implication of your statement here is that TCP is unreliable.
> > That's absolutely not true.
> >
>
> No, TCP falls under the not simple category because it requires the
> backend to have access to a TCP/IP stack.
>
> >> Within the guest, we need the interface to be always available and
> >> we need an addressing scheme that is hypervisor specific. Yes, we
> >> can build this all on top of TCP/IP. We could even build it on top
> >> of a serial port. Both have their down-sides wrt reliability and
> >> complexity.
> >>
> >
> > I don't know of any zero-copy through the hypervisor mechanisms for
> > serial ports, but I know we do that with the various virtualization
> > network devices.
> >
>
> Yes, and I went down the road of using a dedicated network device and
> using raw ethernet as the protocol. The thing that killed that was the
> fact that it's not reliable. You need something like TCP to add
> reliability.
>
> But that's a lot of work and a bit backwards. Use a unreliable
> transport but use TCP on top of it to get reliability. Our link
> (virtio) is inherently reliable so why not just expose a reliable
> interface to userspace?
>
> >> Do you have another recommendation?
> >>
> >
> > I don't have to make alternative recommendations until you can
> > show that what we have can't solve the problem acceptably, and
> > TCP emphatically can.
> >
>
> It can solve the problem but I don't think it's the best way to solve
> the problem mainly because the complexity it demands on the backend.

"Those who don't understand TCP are doomed to reimplement it, badly."