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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
Cc: Sridhar Samudrala <sri@us.ibm.com>,
	avi@redhat.com, markmc@redhat.com, ogerlitz@voltaire.com,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, qemu-devel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH qemu-kvm] Add raw(af_packet) network backend to qemu
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:59:09 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100127165909.GA13260@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4B60488F.5020506@codemonkey.ws>

On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 08:07:11AM -0600, Anthony Liguori wrote:
> On 01/27/2010 03:24 AM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
>> I am not sure I agree with this sentiment.  The main issue being that
>> macvtap doesn't exist on all kernels :).
>
> Neither does vhost ;-)  If it were just that as the difference, I'd be  
> inclined to agree, but macvtap is much better from a security PoV.
>
>>> Not to mention that from a user perspective, raw makes almost no sense
>>> as it's an obscure socket protocol family.
>>>
>>> A user wants to do useful things like bridged networking or direct VF
>>> assignment.  We should have -net backends that reflect things that make
>>> sense to a user.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Anthony Liguori
>>>      
>>
>> I agree to that. People don't even seem to agree whether it's a raw
>> socket or a packet socket :) We need a better name for this option: what
>> it really does is rely on an external device to loopback a packet to us,
>> so how about -net loopback or -net extbridge?
>>    
>
> Specifically for VEPA, something like:
>
> -net extbridge,if=eth0
>
> or even
>
> -net vepa,if=eth0
>
> Would be fantastic.

extbridge is IMO better.

> I think the best way to achieve this is to  
> introduce a small helper that gets called and can create a macvtap  
> device and hand the file descriptor back to qemu :-)  A builtin backend  
> would also be fine since we don't have the helper infrastructure.

Excellent.
Sridhar, this is actually not a lot of work on top of what you
already posted.

> Regards,
>
> Anthony Liguori

  reply	other threads:[~2010-01-27 17:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-01-26 20:40 [PATCH qemu-kvm] Add raw(af_packet) network backend to qemu Sridhar Samudrala
2010-01-26 20:47 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-26 20:50   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-26 23:19     ` Sridhar Samudrala
2010-01-27  9:24     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-01-27  9:34       ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-01-27  9:44         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-01-27 14:03           ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-27 21:39             ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-01-27 22:56               ` Sridhar Samudrala
2010-01-28  6:06                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-01-28 16:53                   ` Jens Osterkamp
2010-01-28 11:22                 ` Or Gerlitz
2010-01-29 20:52                 ` Sridhar Samudrala
2010-01-27 14:07       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-27 16:59         ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2010-01-27 17:07           ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-27 17:25             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-01-27 17:36               ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-27 17:54                 ` Sridhar Samudrala
2010-01-27 18:02                   ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-27 18:03                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-01-27 19:54                       ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-28  8:12                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-01-28 13:56                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-01-28 14:13                             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-28 14:39                               ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-28 14:52                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-01-28 15:05                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-28 16:37                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-01-28 17:58                                     ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-28 18:04                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-01-28 19:57                                         ` Anthony Liguori
2010-01-29 11:26                                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-01-28 20:29                                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-02-01 15:47                         ` Or Gerlitz
2010-01-27 18:12                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-01-26 23:15   ` Sridhar Samudrala
2010-01-27  0:06     ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2010-01-27  6:52       ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-01-27 14:14         ` Anthony Liguori

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