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From: Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>
To: Takuya Yoshikawa <yoshikawa.takuya@oss.ntt.co.jp>
Cc: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
	Takuya Yoshikawa <takuya.yoshikawa@gmail.com>,
	agraf@suse.de, fernando@oss.ntt.co.jp, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	kvm-ppc@vger.kernel.org, kvm-ia64@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Any comments? Re: [RFC][PATCH 0/12] KVM, x86, ppc, asm-generic: moving dirty bitmaps to user space
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 09:54:27 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100601125427.GA5198@amt.cnet> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4C04F792.10207@oss.ntt.co.jp>

On Tue, Jun 01, 2010 at 09:05:38PM +0900, Takuya Yoshikawa wrote:
> (2010/06/01 19:55), Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
> 
> >>>Sorry but I have to say that mmu_lock spin_lock problem was completely
> >>>out of
> >>>my mind. Although I looked through the code, it seems not easy to move the
> >>>set_bit_user to outside of spinlock section without breaking the
> >>>semantics of
> >>>its protection.
> >>>
> >>>So this may take some time to solve.
> >>>
> >>>But personally, I want to do something for x86's "vmallc() every time"
> >>>problem
> >>>even though moving dirty bitmaps to user space cannot be achieved soon.
> >>>
> >>>In that sense, do you mind if we do double buffering without moving
> >>>dirty bitmaps to
> >>>user space?
> >>
> >>So I would be happy if you give me any comments about this kind of other
> >>options.
> >
> >What if you pin the bitmaps?
> 
> Yes, pinning bitmaps works. The small problem is that we need to hold
> the dirty_bitmap_pages[] array for every slot, the size of this array
> depends on the slot length, and of course pinning itself.
> 
> In the performance point of view, having double sized vmalloc'ed
> area may be better.
> 
> >
> >The alternative to that is to move mark_page_dirty(gfn) before acquision
> >of mmu_lock, in the page fault paths. The downside of that is a
> >potentially (large?) number of false positives in the dirty bitmap.
> >
> 
> Interesting, but probably dangerous.
> 
> 
> From my experience, though this includes my personal view, removing vmalloc
> currently used by x86 is the most simple and effective change.
> 
> So if you don't mind, I want to double the size of vmalloc'ed area for x86
> without changing other parts.
> 
>  ==> if this one more bitmap is problematic, dirty logging itself would be
>      in danger of failure: we need to have the same size in the timing of
>      switch.
> 
> Make sense?

That seems the most sensible approach.

> 
> We can consider moving dirty bitmaps to user space later.

  reply	other threads:[~2010-06-01 15:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-05-04 12:56 [RFC][PATCH 0/12] KVM, x86, ppc, asm-generic: moving dirty bitmaps to user space Takuya Yoshikawa
2010-05-04 12:58 ` [RFC][PATCH 1/12 applied today] KVM: x86: avoid unnecessary bitmap allocation when memslot is clean Takuya Yoshikawa
2010-05-04 13:02 ` [RFC][PATCH 4/12] x86: introduce copy_in_user() for 32-bit Takuya Yoshikawa
2010-05-04 13:02 ` [RFC][PATCH 5/12] x86: introduce __set_bit() like function for bitmaps in user space Takuya Yoshikawa
2010-05-04 13:03 ` [RFC][PATCH 6/12 not tested yet] PPC: introduce copy_in_user() for 32-bit Takuya Yoshikawa
2010-05-04 13:05 ` [RFC][PATCH resend 8/12] asm-generic: bitops: introduce le bit offset macro Takuya Yoshikawa
2010-05-04 15:03   ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-05-04 16:08     ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]       ` <4BE04677.4060608-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2010-05-05  2:59         ` Takuya Yoshikawa
     [not found]           ` <20100505115924.7bb92036.takuya.yoshikawa-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2010-05-06 13:38             ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]               ` <201005061538.54326.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2010-05-10 11:46                 ` Takuya Yoshikawa
2010-05-10 12:01                   ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                   ` <4BE7F22E.9070504-gVGce1chcLdL9jVzuh4AOg@public.gmane.org>
2010-05-10 12:01                     ` Arnd Bergmann
     [not found]                       ` <201005101401.52182.arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>
2010-05-10 12:09                         ` Takuya Yoshikawa
     [not found] ` <20100504215645.6448af8f.takuya.yoshikawa-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2010-05-04 13:00   ` [RFC][PATCH 2/12] KVM: introduce slot level dirty state management Takuya Yoshikawa
2010-05-04 13:01   ` [RFC][PATCH 3/12] KVM: introduce wrapper functions to create and destroy dirty bitmaps Takuya Yoshikawa
2010-05-04 13:04   ` [RFC][PATCH 7/12 not tested yet] PPC: introduce __set_bit() like function for bitmaps in user space Takuya Yoshikawa
     [not found]     ` <20100504220418.083929bc.takuya.yoshikawa-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2010-05-11 16:00       ` Alexander Graf
2010-05-12  9:25         ` Takuya Yoshikawa
2010-05-04 13:06   ` [RFC][PATCH 9/12] KVM: introduce a wrapper function of set_bit_user_non_atomic() Takuya Yoshikawa
2010-05-04 13:07 ` [RFC][PATCH RFC 10/12] KVM: move dirty bitmaps to user space Takuya Yoshikawa
     [not found]   ` <20100504220702.f8ba6ccc.takuya.yoshikawa-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2010-05-11  3:28     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2010-05-12  6:27       ` Takuya Yoshikawa
     [not found]         ` <4BEA4A62.20100-gVGce1chcLdL9jVzuh4AOg@public.gmane.org>
2010-05-13 11:05           ` Takuya Yoshikawa
2010-05-04 13:08 ` [RFC][PATCH 11/12] KVM: introduce new API for getting/switching dirty bitmaps Takuya Yoshikawa
     [not found]   ` <20100504220821.d68bde57.takuya.yoshikawa-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2010-05-11  3:43     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2010-05-11  5:53       ` Takuya Yoshikawa
     [not found]         ` <4BE8F0F2.60706-gVGce1chcLdL9jVzuh4AOg@public.gmane.org>
2010-05-11 14:07           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2010-05-12  6:03             ` Takuya Yoshikawa
2010-05-04 13:11 ` [RFC][PATCH 12/12 sample] qemu-kvm: use " Takuya Yoshikawa
2010-05-10 12:06 ` [RFC][PATCH 0/12] KVM, x86, ppc, asm-generic: moving dirty bitmaps to user space Avi Kivity
2010-05-10 12:26   ` Takuya Yoshikawa
2010-05-11 10:11     ` Takuya Yoshikawa
2010-05-13 11:47     ` Avi Kivity
2010-05-17  9:06       ` Takuya Yoshikawa
     [not found]         ` <4BF1070B.4000507-gVGce1chcLdL9jVzuh4AOg@public.gmane.org>
2010-05-24  7:05           ` Any comments? " Takuya Yoshikawa
     [not found]             ` <4BFA2539.3030709-gVGce1chcLdL9jVzuh4AOg@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-01 10:55               ` Marcelo Tosatti
     [not found]                 ` <20100601105549.GA1975-I4X2Mt4zSy4@public.gmane.org>
2010-06-01 12:05                   ` Takuya Yoshikawa
2010-06-01 12:54                     ` Marcelo Tosatti [this message]
2010-05-11 15:55 ` Alexander Graf
2010-05-12  9:19   ` Takuya Yoshikawa

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