From: Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>
To: Glauber Costa <glommer@redhat.com>
Cc: kvm@vger.kernel.org, avi@redhat.com, zamsden@redhat.com, riel@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [RFC 4/7] change kernel accounting to include steal time
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 17:47:12 -0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100826204712.GA3773@amt.cnet> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100826202856.GC2985@mothafucka.localdomain>
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 05:28:56PM -0300, Glauber Costa wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 02:23:03PM -0300, Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 05:43:14PM -0400, Glauber Costa wrote:
> > > This patch proposes a common steal time implementation. When no
> > > steal time is accounted, we just add a branch to the current
> > > accounting code, that shouldn't add much overhead.
> > >
> > > When we do want to register steal time, we proceed as following:
> > > - if we would account user or system time in this tick, and there is
> > > out-of-cpu time registered, we skip it altogether, and account steal
> > > time only.
> > > - if we would account user or system time in this tick, and we got the
> > > cpu for the whole slice, we proceed normaly.
> > > - if we are idle in this tick, we flush out-of-cpu time to give it the
> > > chance to update whatever last-measure internal variable it may have.
> >
> > Problem of using sched notifiers is that you don't differentiate whether
> > the vcpu scheduled out by its own (via hlt emulation) or not.
> And we don't need to. If we're out because we want to, we're idle.
> And so, we don't account steal time.
Think of the program below.
> > Skipping accounting of user/system time whenever there's any stolen
> > time detected probably breaks u/s accounting on non-cpu-hog loads.
> I am willing to test some workloads you can suggest, but right now,
> (yeah, I mostly used cpu-hogs), this scheme worked better.
>
> Linux does statistical sampling for accounting anyway, so I don't see
> it getting much worse.
A "cpu hog" that sleeps 1us every 1ms.
> > I suppose steal time should be accounted separately from u/s ticks, as
> > Xen does.
> It requires us to hook somewhere else, which I deem as overcomplicated.
> Do you have any suggestion on how to make it simple?
Unfortunately no.
> Furthermore, "doing separate", is equivalent of not skipping user/system,
> if we really prefer to.
>
> > + if (delta > 1000UL)
> > + touch_softlockup_watchdog();
> > +
> >
> > This will break authentic soft lockup detection whenever qemu processing
> > takes more than 1s.
>
> This should be 10s. 1000UL is a typo.
Comment is still valid.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-08-26 20:47 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-08-25 21:43 [RFC 0/7] KVM steal time implementation Glauber Costa
2010-08-25 21:43 ` [RFC 1/7] Implement getnsboottime kernel API Glauber Costa
2010-08-25 21:43 ` [RFC 2/7] change headers preparing for steal time Glauber Costa
2010-08-25 21:43 ` [RFC 3/7] measure time out of guest Glauber Costa
2010-08-25 21:43 ` [RFC 4/7] change kernel accounting to include steal time Glauber Costa
2010-08-25 21:43 ` [RFC 5/7] kvm steal time implementation Glauber Costa
2010-08-25 21:43 ` [RFC 6/7] touch softlockup watchdog Glauber Costa
2010-08-25 21:43 ` [RFC 7/7] tell guest about steal time feature Glauber Costa
2010-08-26 22:13 ` [RFC 5/7] kvm steal time implementation Rik van Riel
2010-08-26 22:35 ` Glauber Costa
2010-08-26 17:23 ` [RFC 4/7] change kernel accounting to include steal time Marcelo Tosatti
2010-08-26 20:28 ` Glauber Costa
2010-08-26 20:47 ` Marcelo Tosatti [this message]
2010-08-26 21:05 ` Rik van Riel
2010-08-26 21:13 ` Glauber Costa
2010-08-26 21:14 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-26 21:40 ` Glauber Costa
2010-08-26 23:12 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2010-08-27 0:33 ` Glauber Costa
2010-08-27 15:25 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2010-08-26 21:19 ` Rik van Riel
2010-08-26 21:39 ` Glauber Costa
2010-08-29 9:59 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-29 15:13 ` Rik van Riel
2010-08-29 15:25 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-29 15:42 ` Rik van Riel
2010-08-29 15:47 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-30 12:42 ` Glauber Costa
2010-08-30 13:15 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-26 20:54 ` [RFC 3/7] measure time out of guest Zachary Amsden
2010-08-26 21:14 ` Glauber Costa
2010-08-29 9:53 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-26 20:44 ` [RFC 2/7] change headers preparing for steal time Zachary Amsden
2010-08-26 21:04 ` Rik van Riel
2010-08-26 21:17 ` Glauber Costa
2010-08-26 22:11 ` Rik van Riel
2010-08-29 9:51 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-30 12:44 ` Glauber Costa
2010-08-30 13:10 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-26 19:46 ` [RFC 1/7] Implement getnsboottime kernel API Rik van Riel
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