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From: Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>
To: Glauber Costa <glommer@redhat.com>
Cc: kvm@vger.kernel.org, avi@redhat.com, zamsden@redhat.com, riel@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [RFC 4/7] change kernel accounting to include steal time
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 17:47:12 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100826204712.GA3773@amt.cnet> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100826202856.GC2985@mothafucka.localdomain>

On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 05:28:56PM -0300, Glauber Costa wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 02:23:03PM -0300, Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 05:43:14PM -0400, Glauber Costa wrote:
> > > This patch proposes a common steal time implementation. When no
> > > steal time is accounted, we just add a branch to the current
> > > accounting code, that shouldn't add much overhead.
> > > 
> > > When we do want to register steal time, we proceed as following:
> > > - if we would account user or system time in this tick, and there is
> > >   out-of-cpu time registered, we skip it altogether, and account steal
> > >   time only.
> > > - if we would account user or system time in this tick, and we got the
> > >   cpu for the whole slice, we proceed normaly.
> > > - if we are idle in this tick, we flush out-of-cpu time to give it the
> > >   chance to update whatever last-measure internal variable it may have.
> > 
> > Problem of using sched notifiers is that you don't differentiate whether
> > the vcpu scheduled out by its own (via hlt emulation) or not.
> And we don't need to. If we're out because we want to, we're idle.
> And so, we don't account steal time.

Think of the program below.

> > Skipping accounting of user/system time whenever there's any stolen
> > time detected probably breaks u/s accounting on non-cpu-hog loads.
> I am willing to test some workloads you can suggest, but right now,
> (yeah, I mostly used cpu-hogs), this scheme worked better.
> 
> Linux does statistical sampling for accounting anyway, so I don't see
> it getting much worse.

A "cpu hog" that sleeps 1us every 1ms.

> > I suppose steal time should be accounted separately from u/s ticks, as
> > Xen does.
> It requires us to hook somewhere else, which I deem as overcomplicated.
> Do you have any suggestion on how to make it simple?

Unfortunately no.

> Furthermore, "doing separate", is equivalent of not skipping user/system,
> if we really prefer to.
>
> > +   if (delta > 1000UL)
> > +               touch_softlockup_watchdog();
> > +
> > 
> > This will break authentic soft lockup detection whenever qemu processing
> > takes more than 1s.
> 
> This should be 10s. 1000UL is a typo.

Comment is still valid.


  reply	other threads:[~2010-08-26 20:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-08-25 21:43 [RFC 0/7] KVM steal time implementation Glauber Costa
2010-08-25 21:43 ` [RFC 1/7] Implement getnsboottime kernel API Glauber Costa
2010-08-25 21:43   ` [RFC 2/7] change headers preparing for steal time Glauber Costa
2010-08-25 21:43     ` [RFC 3/7] measure time out of guest Glauber Costa
2010-08-25 21:43       ` [RFC 4/7] change kernel accounting to include steal time Glauber Costa
2010-08-25 21:43         ` [RFC 5/7] kvm steal time implementation Glauber Costa
2010-08-25 21:43           ` [RFC 6/7] touch softlockup watchdog Glauber Costa
2010-08-25 21:43             ` [RFC 7/7] tell guest about steal time feature Glauber Costa
2010-08-26 22:13           ` [RFC 5/7] kvm steal time implementation Rik van Riel
2010-08-26 22:35             ` Glauber Costa
2010-08-26 17:23         ` [RFC 4/7] change kernel accounting to include steal time Marcelo Tosatti
2010-08-26 20:28           ` Glauber Costa
2010-08-26 20:47             ` Marcelo Tosatti [this message]
2010-08-26 21:05               ` Rik van Riel
2010-08-26 21:13               ` Glauber Costa
2010-08-26 21:14             ` Anthony Liguori
2010-08-26 21:40               ` Glauber Costa
2010-08-26 23:12                 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2010-08-27  0:33                   ` Glauber Costa
2010-08-27 15:25                     ` Marcelo Tosatti
2010-08-26 21:19         ` Rik van Riel
2010-08-26 21:39           ` Glauber Costa
2010-08-29  9:59         ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-29 15:13           ` Rik van Riel
2010-08-29 15:25             ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-29 15:42               ` Rik van Riel
2010-08-29 15:47                 ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-30 12:42           ` Glauber Costa
2010-08-30 13:15             ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-26 20:54       ` [RFC 3/7] measure time out of guest Zachary Amsden
2010-08-26 21:14         ` Glauber Costa
2010-08-29  9:53       ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-26 20:44     ` [RFC 2/7] change headers preparing for steal time Zachary Amsden
2010-08-26 21:04       ` Rik van Riel
2010-08-26 21:17         ` Glauber Costa
2010-08-26 22:11           ` Rik van Riel
2010-08-29  9:51     ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-30 12:44       ` Glauber Costa
2010-08-30 13:10         ` Avi Kivity
2010-08-26 19:46   ` [RFC 1/7] Implement getnsboottime kernel API Rik van Riel

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