From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>, kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH kvm-unit-tests 2/4] Introduce a C++ wrapper for the kvm APIs
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 16:40:20 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20101128144020.GC12874@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4CF255A9.6030502@redhat.com>
On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 03:14:17PM +0200, Avi Kivity wrote:
> On 11/28/2010 01:44 PM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> >On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 11:54:26AM +0200, Avi Kivity wrote:
> >> On 11/28/2010 11:50 AM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Another problem is that there seem to be two memory allocations and a
> >> >> >copy here, apparently just to simplify error handling. It might be fine
> >> >> >for this test but won't scale for when performance matters.
> >> >>
> >> >> When it matters, we can fix it. I don't see msr read/write becoming
> >> >> a hot path.
> >> >
> >> >It will be very painful to fix it.
> >>
> >> Why?
> >
> >Because the API returns a vector.
>
> Returning an object does not involve a copy (return value optimization).
Yes, but assigning the value in the code that uses it will, unless again
you do this in an initializer.
> >> >>
> >> >> The compiler should optimize it away completely.
> >> >
> >> >Should as opposed to does. Want me to try a simple test?
> >>
> >> Please.
> >
> >Just for fun: optimize for size, and compare code sizes.
> >The C++ code is yours but I have removed all use of STL to make
> >it more of an even fight. I checked by object and executable size.
> >Note that this is shared library build: a C++ executable
> >will pull in a large C++ library, a C executable won't.
> >If you are interested in an STL based example let me know.
> >You can take it from here and make it more real if you like,
> >or look at the assembler output.
> >
> >------------------------------
> >[mst@tuck ~]$ cat test.c
> >#include<sys/ioctl.h>
> >#include<sys/types.h>
> >#include<sys/stat.h>
> >#include<fcntl.h>
> >#include<unistd.h>
> >#include<errno.h>
> >
> >int main(int argc, char **argv)
> >{
> > int fd = open("/dev/kvm", O_RDWR);
> > int r;
> > if (fd< 0)
> > goto open_err;
> > r = ioctl(fd, 0, 0);
> > if (r< 0)
> > goto ioctl_err;
> > return 0;
> >ioctl_err:
> > close(fd);
> >open_err:
> > return -1;
> >}
>
>
> This code is not reusable. Everywhere you use an fd, you have to
> repeat this code.
But that's not a lot of code. And you can abstract it away at a higher
level. For example kvm_init and kvm_cleanup would setup/cleanup
state in a consistent way.
My experience tells me C++ code has much more boilerplate code that you
are forced to repeat over and over. This is especially true for unix
system programming: by the time you are done wrapping all of unix you
have created more LOC than you are ever likely to save.
> >[mst@tuck ~]$ gcc -c -Os test.c
> >[mst@tuck ~]$ size test.o
> > text data bss dec hex filename
> > 97 0 0 97 61 test.o
> >[mst@tuck ~]$ gcc -Os test.c
> >[mst@tuck ~]$ size a.out
> > text data bss dec hex filename
> > 1192 260 8 1460 5b4 a.out
> >[mst@tuck ~]$ wc -l test.c
> >22 test.c
> >------------------------------
> >[mst@tuck ~]$ cat kvmxx.cpp
> >extern "C" {
> >#include<sys/ioctl.h>
> >#include<sys/types.h>
> >#include<sys/stat.h>
> >#include<fcntl.h>
> >#include<unistd.h>
> >#include<errno.h>
> >}
> >
> >namespace kvm {
> >
> > class fd {
> > public:
> > explicit fd(const char *path, int flags);
> > ~fd() { ::close(_fd); }
> > long ioctl(unsigned nr, long arg);
> > private:
> > int _fd;
> > };
> >
> >};
> >
> >namespace kvm {
> >
> >static long check_error(long r)
> >{
> > if (r == -1) {
> > throw errno;
> > }
> > return r;
> >}
> >
> >fd::fd(const char *device_node, int flags)
> > : _fd(::open(device_node, flags))
> >{
> > check_error(_fd);
> >}
> >
> >
> >long fd::ioctl(unsigned nr, long arg)
> >{
> > return check_error(::ioctl(_fd, nr, arg));
> >}
> >
> >}
> >
> >int main(int ac, char **av)
> >{
> > try {
> > kvm::fd fd("/dev/kvm", O_RDWR);
> > fd.ioctl(0, 0);
> > } catch (...) {
> > return -1;
> > }
> > return 0;
> >}
>
> class kvm::fd is reusable, if you embed it in another object you
> don't have to worry about errors any more (as long as the object's
> methods are exception safe).
To get exception safe code, you have to constantly worry about errors.
And it's easier to spot an unhandled return code than exception-unsafe
code: gcc actually has __attribute__((warn_unused_result)) which
might help catch common errors. No such tool to catch
exception-unsafe code AFAIK.
> >[mst@tuck ~]$ g++ -c -Os kvmxx.cpp
> >[mst@tuck ~]$ size kvmxx.o
> > text data bss dec hex filename
> > 529 0 0 529 211 kvmxx.o
> >[mst@tuck ~]$ g++ -Os kvmxx.cpp
> >[mst@tuck ~]$ size a.out
> > text data bss dec hex filename
> > 2254 308 16 2578 a12 a.out
> >[mst@tuck ~]$ wc kvmxx.cpp
> >56 kvmxx.cpp
> >------------------------------
> >
> >
> >One interesting thing is that the object size grew
> >faster than linked executable size.
> >This might mean that the compiler generated some
> >dead code that the linker then threw out.
> >It's also interesting that C++ managed to use up
> >more data/bss storage.
>
> C++ will have much larger data and code sizes because it uses DWARF
> tables for unwinding and generates stack unwinding code.
> These are all out of the hot path.
I only wanted to see whether the compiler would optimize it away
completely as you said it should :). Getting a convincing proof of
whether this matters would be much harder.
> >> >> There's been a lot
> >> >> of work in gcc on that.
> >> >>
> >> >> About compile times, I don't care much.
> >> >
> >> >I do. You will too when we have codebase that can be built as fast as
> >> >we commit things, so buildbot breaks.
> >> >This is common in C++ based projects.
> >>
> >> If kvm-unit-tests.git takes to long to compile, I'll be very happy.
> >
> >If the claim is "it's so small it does not matter what it's written in"
> >then I guess don't mind. But then - why do we care about
> >error handling so much? For the test, it's probably ok to just assert
> >after each ioctl/malloc and be done with it.
>
> Yes, all the correctness is more or less pointless here. Like I
> said, this is an experiment to see what things look like. I guess
> each side will it as proving its claims.
This is exactly what seems to be happening.
I did my best to try and be objective and point out real issues,
but you probably guessed which side I am on already :).
> --
> error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-11-28 14:40 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 130+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-11-24 10:52 [PATCH kvm-unit-tests 0/4] API test framework Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 10:52 ` [PATCH kvm-unit-tests 1/4] Makefile: add support for C++ Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 10:52 ` [PATCH kvm-unit-tests 2/4] Introduce a C++ wrapper for the kvm APIs Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 12:59 ` Alexander Graf
2010-11-24 13:33 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 14:18 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 14:24 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 14:32 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 14:31 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 14:41 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 15:40 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 15:50 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 16:10 ` Avi Kivity
2010-12-02 13:52 ` Mike Day
2010-11-24 16:12 ` [PATCH kvm-unit-tests 2/4] " Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 16:14 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 16:21 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 16:25 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 16:29 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 16:33 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 16:52 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 16:56 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 17:02 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 17:07 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 17:10 ` Jes Sorensen
2010-11-24 17:12 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 17:14 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 16:43 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 16:48 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 16:56 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 17:04 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 16:40 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 17:33 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 17:39 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 17:41 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 17:50 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 18:23 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 18:50 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 18:17 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 18:34 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 18:53 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-25 8:35 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 16:40 ` Jes Sorensen
2010-11-24 16:47 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 16:51 ` Jes Sorensen
2010-11-24 16:57 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 17:29 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 16:59 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 17:06 ` Jes Sorensen
2010-11-24 17:11 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 17:17 ` Jes Sorensen
2010-11-24 17:25 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 17:28 ` Jes Sorensen
2010-11-24 17:31 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 17:36 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 17:41 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 17:27 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 17:35 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 17:36 ` Jes Sorensen
2010-11-24 17:41 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 17:43 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 17:50 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 18:10 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 18:55 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 19:29 ` Jes Sorensen
2010-11-24 19:33 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 17:43 ` Jes Sorensen
2010-11-24 17:51 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 17:43 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 17:45 ` Jes Sorensen
2010-11-24 17:51 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 18:01 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 18:56 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 16:55 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 17:01 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 17:16 ` Gleb Natapov
2010-11-24 17:26 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 16:53 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 17:03 ` Jes Sorensen
2010-11-28 12:27 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-28 22:04 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-28 22:28 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-28 23:13 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-29 8:04 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-29 13:44 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-29 13:48 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 16:29 ` Jes Sorensen
2010-11-24 16:34 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 16:44 ` Jes Sorensen
2010-11-24 16:49 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-28 11:59 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-28 13:02 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-28 13:57 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-28 14:34 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-28 16:57 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-29 9:22 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-29 10:47 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-29 10:52 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-29 11:26 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-29 13:38 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 14:10 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 14:29 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 14:45 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-24 14:53 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 14:55 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-25 16:32 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-26 10:16 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
[not found] ` <4CF0CB9A.5060403@redhat.com>
2010-11-28 8:58 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-28 9:31 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-28 9:50 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-28 9:54 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-28 11:44 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-28 13:14 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-28 14:40 ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2010-11-28 22:12 ` Anthony Liguori
2010-11-29 9:30 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-28 11:49 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-28 13:15 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-28 14:49 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-29 9:30 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 10:52 ` [PATCH kvm-unit-tests 3/4] Add support for calling a function in guest mode Avi Kivity
2010-11-26 14:17 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
[not found] ` <4CF0CC26.8030407@redhat.com>
2010-11-28 8:59 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-28 9:22 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-24 10:52 ` [PATCH kvm-unit-tests 4/4] Add sample test using the api test harness Avi Kivity
2010-11-26 14:17 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
[not found] ` <4CF0CC4A.8070100@redhat.com>
2010-11-28 9:04 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2010-11-28 9:21 ` Avi Kivity
2010-11-29 16:09 ` [PATCH kvm-unit-tests 0/4] API test framework Marcelo Tosatti
2010-12-01 10:38 ` Avi Kivity
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