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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, aarcange@redhat.com,
	mtosatti@redhat.com, kvm@vger.kernel.org, joro@8bytes.org,
	penberg@cs.helsinki.fi, asias.hejun@gmail.com,
	gorcunov@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Native Linux KVM tool
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 11:33:33 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110406093333.GB6465@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4D9873CD.3080207@redhat.com>


* Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com> wrote:

> Sure, any succcesful project becomes an ugly gooball.  It's almost a 
> compliment.

I disagree strongly with that sentiment and there's several good counter 
examples:

 - the Git project is also highly successful and is kept very clean (and has a 
   project size comparable to Qemu)

 - the Linux kernel is also very clean in all areas i care about and has most
   of its ugliness stuffed into drivers/staging/ (and has a project size more 
   than an order of magnitude larger than Qemu).

In fact i claim the exact opposite: certain types of projects can only grow 
beyond a certain size and stay healthy if they are *not* ugly gooballs. 

Examples: X11 and GCC - both were struggling for years to break through magic 
invisible barriers of growth and IMHO a lot of it had to do with the lack of 
code (and development model) cleanliness.

So no, your kind of cynical, defeatist sentiment about code quality is by no 
means true in my experience. Projects become ugly gooballs once maintainers 
stop caring enough.

Thanks,

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2011-04-06  9:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-03-31 17:30 [ANNOUNCE] Native Linux KVM tool Pekka Enberg
     [not found] ` <1B1AE097-4524-4026-85EC-F9A0E274FFF2@suse.de>
2011-04-01  7:07   ` Carsten Otte
2011-04-01  7:37     ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2011-04-01 14:26 ` Steven Rostedt
2011-04-02 20:38 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-04-03  6:21   ` Ingo Molnar
2011-04-03  8:24     ` Avi Kivity
2011-04-03  8:53       ` Pekka Enberg
2011-04-03  9:06         ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2011-04-03  9:37         ` CaT
2011-04-04 10:31         ` Ingo Molnar
2011-04-03  8:51   ` Pekka Enberg
2011-04-03  9:17     ` Avi Kivity
2011-04-03  8:23 ` Avi Kivity
2011-04-03  9:59   ` Pekka Enberg
2011-04-03 10:11     ` Avi Kivity
2011-04-03 10:17       ` Pekka Enberg
2011-04-03 10:22         ` Avi Kivity
2011-04-03 10:32           ` Pekka Enberg
2011-04-03 13:09       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-04-03 13:19         ` Avi Kivity
2011-04-06  9:33           ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2011-04-06  9:36             ` Gleb Natapov
2011-04-06  9:46               ` Ingo Molnar
2011-04-06  9:49                 ` Avi Kivity
2011-04-06  9:51                 ` Gleb Natapov
2011-04-06 10:14             ` Olivier Galibert
2011-04-06 10:55               ` Ingo Molnar
2011-04-08  2:04                 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-04-08  2:14             ` Anthony Liguori
2011-04-08  5:14               ` Pekka Enberg
2011-04-08  6:19                 ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2011-04-08  6:47                 ` Takuya Yoshikawa
2011-04-08  6:51                   ` Pekka Enberg
2011-04-08  7:10                     ` Takuya Yoshikawa
2011-04-08  7:39                 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-04-08  8:27                   ` Pekka Enberg
2011-04-08  9:11                     ` Jan Kiszka
2011-04-08  9:32                       ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2011-04-08 10:42                         ` Jan Kiszka
2011-04-08 12:27                           ` Alexander Graf
2011-04-08 12:33                             ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2011-04-08 14:39                         ` Ted Ts'o
2011-04-08 14:00                 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-04-08 19:20                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-04-08 22:59                     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-04-10  8:05                       ` Avi Kivity
2011-04-09  7:40                     ` Ingo Molnar
2011-04-12  0:58                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2011-04-09 18:23                   ` Olivier Galibert
2011-04-10  2:54                     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-04-08 15:59               ` Scott Wood
2011-04-08 22:58                 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-04-06  8:59         ` Markus Armbruster
2011-04-06  9:29           ` Gleb Natapov
2011-04-03  9:01 ` Alon Levy
2011-04-03 10:01   ` Pekka Enberg
2011-04-03 10:15     ` Alon Levy

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