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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: Sasha Levin <levinsasha928@gmail.com>,
	penberg@kernel.org, john@jfloren.net, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	asias.hejun@gmail.com, gorcunov@gmail.com,
	prasadjoshi124@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 5/5 V2] kvm tools: Initialize and use VESA and VNC
Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 11:36:11 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110525093611.GD28500@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4DDCC8A0.8050708@redhat.com>


* Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com> wrote:

> > So you claim that ((section)) is 'not portable' but concede that 
> > it does in fact not port to one of the most widely used 
> > compilers.
> 
> Can you please avoid trimming messages?  I said "the differences 
> between MSVC and GCC can easily be abstracted with a macro".  This 
> is not unlike other differences between the two compilers (e.g. 
> __forceinline vs. the ((always_inline)) attribute), and it is not 
> true of linker scripts.

So ((constructor)) is unportable but it can be wrapped. So can other 
portability problems be solved, such as linker scripts can be written 
for non-ELF targets (should that ever become necessary), so what's 
your point?

We want to use ELF sections in the future *anyway* to make tools/kvm/ 
scale even better, for example to use alternative instruction fixups 
(for which no GCC extension exists) so a linker script will be there 
anyway. ( We might also want to use sections to speed up exception 
handling in tools/kvm/. )

Fact is that neither ((section)) *NOR* ((constructor)) is portable: 
*both* are GCC extensions - while you falsely claimed that 
((constructor)) was somehow portable and that ((section)) was an 
'unportable trick'. Let me quote your initial claim:

>>>>> I know portability is not relevant to tools/kvm/, but using 
>>>>> unportable tricks for the sake of using them is a direct way to 
>>>>> NIH. But oh well all of tools/kvm/ is NIH after all. :)

Btw., that NIH claim was rather unfair and uncalled for as well.

Thanks,

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2011-05-25  9:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-05-23 11:19 [PATCH 1/5 V2] kvm tools: Add BIOS INT10 handler Sasha Levin
2011-05-23 11:19 ` [PATCH 2/5 V2] kvm tools: Add video mode to kernel initialization Sasha Levin
2011-05-23 11:30   ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-23 11:19 ` [PATCH 3/5 V2] kvm tools: Add VESA device Sasha Levin
2011-05-23 11:32   ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-23 11:19 ` [PATCH 4/5 V2] kvm tools: Update makefile and feature tests Sasha Levin
2011-05-23 11:19 ` [PATCH 5/5 V2] kvm tools: Initialize and use VESA and VNC Sasha Levin
2011-05-23 11:38   ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-23 11:45     ` Pekka Enberg
2011-05-24  8:37     ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-05-24  8:50       ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-24  9:10         ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-05-24  9:55           ` Pekka Enberg
2011-05-24 11:22             ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-24 11:26               ` Pekka Enberg
2011-05-24 11:30                 ` Sasha Levin
2011-05-24 11:30                 ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-24 11:38                   ` Pekka Enberg
2011-05-24 11:41                     ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-24 11:56                       ` Pekka Enberg
2011-05-24 12:27                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-05-24 14:38                           ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-24 14:37                       ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-24 14:54                         ` Pekka Enberg
2011-05-24 19:03                           ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-24 19:00                     ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-24 19:16           ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-24  9:18         ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-05-24 19:40           ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-25  8:21             ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-05-25  8:32               ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-25  9:15                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-05-25  9:36                   ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2011-05-25 10:01                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-05-25 10:17                       ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-25 10:44                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-05-25 12:53                           ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-25 15:37                             ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-05-25  9:49                   ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-25  8:38               ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-24  8:51       ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2011-05-23 14:10   ` Pekka Enberg
2011-05-23 11:29 ` [PATCH 1/5 V2] kvm tools: Add BIOS INT10 handler Ingo Molnar

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