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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>
Cc: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
	Sasha Levin <levinsasha928@gmail.com>,
	john@jfloren.net, kvm@vger.kernel.org, asias.hejun@gmail.com,
	gorcunov@gmail.com, prasadjoshi124@gmail.com,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/6] kvm tools: Add rwlock wrapper
Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 22:25:31 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110526202531.GA2765@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTi=bMMr1zHWhwNsD=ah52n3ueoLbUg@mail.gmail.com>


* Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org> wrote:

> On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 9:11 PM, Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com> wrote:
> > On 05/26/2011 09:05 PM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >  I've added some rwlocks because of what Ingo said yesterday about
> >> >  adding/removing devices after the first initialization phase.
> >> >
> >> >  Take MMIO lock for example: Since we can now run SMP guests, we may
> >> >  have multiple MMIO exits (one from each VCPU thread). Each of those
> >> >  exits leads to searching the MMIO rbtree.
> >> >
> >> >  We can use a mutex to lock it, but it just means that those threads
> >> >  will be blocked there instead of concurrently searching the MMIO
> >> >  tree which makes the search linear instead of parallel.
> >> >
> >> >  It's hard to bring 'real' numbers at this stage because the only
> >> >  'real' device we have which uses MMIO is the VESA driver, and we
> >> >  can't really simulate many VCPUs writing to it :)
> >>
> >> I'd suggest keeping it simple first - rwlocks are nasty and will
> >> bounce a cacheline just as much.
> >
> > Well, this is the first case where tools/kvm can do better than qemu with
> > its global lock, so I think it's worth it.
> >
> >> If lookup scalability is an issue we can extend RCU to tools/kvm/.
> >
> > Definitely rcu is a perfect patch for mmio dispatch.
> 
> Userspace RCU code is here, Sasha, if you feel like tackling this:
> 
> http://lttng.org/urcu
> 
> :-)
> 
> I'm CC'ing Paul and Mathieu as well for urcu.

I think we should rather share some of the kernel RCU code in an 
intelligent way instead of bringing in yet another library which is a 
IIRC a distant copy of the kernel code to begin with.

That way we could lazily benefit from all the enhancements Paul does 
to the kernel RCU code! :-)

Note that kernel/treercu.c is pretty tied to the kernel right now, so 
a first approach could be to:

 - Check Paul's excellent documentation about RCU and make sure
   you don't miss Paul's excellent 3-part primer on LWN.net:

     http://lwn.net/Articles/262464/
     http://lwn.net/Articles/263130/
     http://lwn.net/Articles/264090/

   There are also lots of very good RCU articles on the LWN Kernel 
   Index page:

	http://lwn.net/Kernel/Index/

 - Check kernel/tinyrcu.c to see how RCU is implemented in its 
   simplest form. :)

 - Copy the tree-RCU code from kernel/treercu.c to tools/kvm/rcu/

 - Massage it so far that it is suitable for tools/kvm/. We really
   only need a few core RCU facilities initially:

    struct rcu_head;

    rcu_read_lock();
    rcu_read_unlock();

    rcu_dereference()

    call_rcu(head, func);

    rcu_synchronize();

   The rest, _bh(), etc. are all kernelisms.

 - Then once it's working we could look at doing the code sharing
   *for real*: splitting the functionality out of the original
   treercu.c code into kernel/treercu-lib.c and rcuupdate-lib.h or so
   and include that one in tools/kvm/rcu/.

 - [ You might also benefit from porting rcutorture code to 
     user-space. It will catch RCU bugs like nothing else. ]

That way the 'core RCU' logic would be contained in treercu-lib.c, 
all kernel glue would be in kernel/rcutree.c.

Some other approach might be possible as well, this was just a first 
rough idea :)

Thanks,

	Ingo

  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-05-26 20:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-05-26 14:25 [PATCH 1/6] kvm tools: Prevent double assignment of guest memory info Sasha Levin
2011-05-26 14:25 ` [PATCH 2/6] kvm tools: Exit VCPU thread only when SIGKVMEXIT is received Sasha Levin
2011-05-26 14:25 ` [PATCH 3/6] kvm tools: Protect IRQ allocations by a mutex Sasha Levin
2011-05-26 14:25 ` [PATCH 4/6] kvm tools: Add rwlock wrapper Sasha Levin
2011-05-26 16:02   ` Pekka Enberg
2011-05-26 16:19     ` Sasha Levin
2011-05-26 18:05       ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-26 18:11         ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-26 18:21           ` Pekka Enberg
2011-05-26 18:57             ` Sasha Levin
2011-05-26 23:09               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-05-27 10:19                 ` Sasha Levin
2011-05-27 10:36                   ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-27 15:52                     ` Sasha Levin
2011-05-27 17:10                       ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-27 20:19                         ` Sasha Levin
2011-05-28 15:24                           ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-28 16:44                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-05-28 19:45                             ` Sasha Levin
2011-05-29  6:47                               ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-29  7:19                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-29 15:31                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-05-29 15:51                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-05-29 19:54                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-30  3:12                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-05-29 16:22                                     ` Sasha Levin
2011-05-27 13:14                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-05-29 17:01                     ` RCU red-black tree (was: Re: [PATCH 4/6] kvm tools: Add rwlock wrapper) Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-05-29 17:48                       ` Sasha Levin
2011-05-30  2:54                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-05-30  6:07                           ` Sasha Levin
2011-05-30 11:30                             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-05-30 17:38                             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-05-30 17:50                               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-05-30 17:52                               ` Sasha Levin
2011-05-30 18:57                                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-05-30 19:11                                   ` Sasha Levin
2011-05-31 13:05                                   ` Sasha Levin
2011-05-31 13:09                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-31 13:20                                       ` Sasha Levin
2011-05-31 15:25                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-31 19:09                                           ` Prasad Joshi
2011-05-31 19:31                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2011-06-02 14:55                                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-05-30  3:38                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-05-30 11:18                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-05-26 20:25             ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2011-05-26 23:05               ` [PATCH 4/6] kvm tools: Add rwlock wrapper Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-05-27  0:58                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-05-27  9:12                   ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-27 12:48                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-05-27 13:19                       ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-27 13:29                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-05-27 13:36                           ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-27 17:22                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-05-27 10:25                 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-27 11:07                   ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-27 11:10                     ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-27 11:24                       ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-27 14:18                         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-05-27 14:11                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-05-28 18:12                     ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-28 18:32                       ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-29  6:41                         ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-29  7:35                           ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-29  7:54                             ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-29 12:37                               ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-29 12:48                                 ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-29 14:27                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-29 15:00                                     ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-29 15:38                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-05-29 19:33                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-30  3:07                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2011-05-30  8:12                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-27 13:22                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2011-05-27 13:31                     ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-28 18:14                       ` Avi Kivity
2011-05-27 13:07                 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-05-26 14:25 ` [PATCH 5/6] kvm tools: Protect MMIO tree by rwsem Sasha Levin
2011-05-26 14:25 ` [PATCH 6/6] kvm tools: Protect IOPORT " Sasha Levin
2011-05-26 16:01   ` Pekka Enberg
2011-05-26 16:19     ` Sasha Levin

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