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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>, Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>,
	Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@web.de>,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	gorcunov@gmail.com, levinsasha928@gmail.com,
	asias.hejun@gmail.com, prasadjoshi124@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] Native Linux KVM tool for 3.1
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 12:29:35 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110725102935.GK28787@elte.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4E2D42D6.3010909@redhat.com>


* Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com> wrote:

> On 07/25/2011 01:03 PM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> >>  >  Then look at the actual drivers and interfaces within tools/kvm/.
> >>  >  It's using the same symbols and conventions for 'guest' and
> >>  >  'host' side.
> >>  >
> >>  >  Check out tools/kvm/hw/i8042.c and match it up with
> >>  >  include/linux/serio.h and drivers/input/serio/i8042.c - you can
> >>  >  literally walk from one side to the other and understand how
> >>  >  guest and host are tightly related not just functionality but
> >>  >  also implementation wise.
> >>  >
> >>  >  This is how Qemu should be doing it as well btw., to ease the
> >>  >  debugging of host/guest interaction bugs and to ease development.
> >>
> >>  No. That ties the guest and host interfaces together. [...]
> >
> > Why would it tie the interfaces together? For a guest and host 
> > driver to be written in the same familiar conventions is useful 
> > for debugging and development easier but does not prevent both of 
> > those pieces to implement a precise interface. (Especially since 
> > in the i8042 case the host driver is used with real hardware as 
> > well.)
> 
> The driver is under no requirement to use all of the functionality 
> of the device.  On the other hand, the device emulation has to be 
> complete, or it risks not working with some past or future version 
> of the driver, or with another OS (if you support that).

Sure, and nothing in tools/kvm/hw/i8042.c contradicts that and my 
points still remain.

You can have clean, harmonic code *and* have it work to spec, agreed?

Thanks,

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2011-07-25 10:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-07-24 20:37 [GIT PULL] Native Linux KVM tool for 3.1 Pekka Enberg
2011-07-24 23:12 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-07-25  7:37   ` Pekka Enberg
2011-07-25  7:53     ` Ingo Molnar
2011-07-25  8:14       ` Alexander Graf
2011-07-25  8:23         ` Pekka Enberg
2011-07-25  8:31           ` Alexander Graf
2011-07-25  8:35             ` Avi Kivity
2011-07-25 13:10               ` Joerg Roedel
2011-07-25 15:05                 ` Avi Kivity
2011-07-25  8:37             ` Pekka Enberg
2011-07-25  8:44               ` Alexander Graf
2011-07-25  8:51                 ` Pekka Enberg
2011-07-25  8:55                   ` Alexander Graf
2011-07-25  9:16               ` Ingo Molnar
2011-07-25  9:14           ` Ingo Molnar
2011-07-25  8:30         ` Pekka Enberg
2011-07-25  8:37           ` Alexander Graf
2011-07-25  8:47             ` Pekka Enberg
2011-07-25  9:06               ` Alexander Graf
2011-07-25 12:45                 ` Pekka Enberg
2011-07-25 12:47                   ` Avi Kivity
2011-07-25 12:51                     ` Sasha Levin
2011-07-25 12:54                       ` Alexander Graf
2011-07-25 13:14                         ` Sasha Levin
2011-07-25 12:51                     ` Alexander Graf
2011-07-25 13:09                       ` Pekka Enberg
2011-07-25 13:29                         ` Alexander Graf
2011-07-25  9:26               ` Ingo Molnar
2011-07-25  9:42                 ` Alexander Graf
2011-07-25 10:16                   ` Ingo Molnar
2011-07-25 10:21                     ` Alexander Graf
2011-07-25 10:35                       ` Ingo Molnar
2011-07-25 10:47             ` Ingo Molnar
2011-07-25 12:24           ` Kevin Wolf
2011-07-25 12:41             ` Pekka Enberg
2011-07-25 12:46               ` Avi Kivity
2011-07-25  8:54         ` Ingo Molnar
2011-07-25  8:59           ` Ingo Molnar
2011-07-25  9:03           ` Alexander Graf
2011-07-25  9:41             ` Ingo Molnar
2011-07-25  9:46               ` Alexander Graf
2011-07-25 10:28                 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-07-25  9:48               ` Avi Kivity
2011-07-25 10:03                 ` Ingo Molnar
2011-07-25 10:17                   ` Avi Kivity
2011-07-25 10:29                     ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2011-07-25 11:26             ` Olivier Galibert
2011-07-25 10:38         ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-07-25 11:08           ` Ingo Molnar
2011-07-25 11:24             ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-07-25 11:32               ` Ingo Molnar
2011-07-25 11:34               ` Olivier Galibert
2011-07-25 11:41                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2011-07-25 12:09           ` Ingo Molnar
2011-07-25 12:36           ` Pekka Enberg
2011-07-25 19:21             ` david
2011-07-25 18:24     ` Jan Kiszka
2011-07-25 19:43       ` Pekka Enberg
2011-07-25  7:50   ` Sasha Levin
2011-07-25  8:34     ` Alexander Graf
2011-07-25 12:59     ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-07-25 13:16       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-07-25  1:19 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-07-25  7:27   ` Pekka Enberg
2011-07-25  7:36     ` Avi Kivity
2011-07-25  7:39       ` Pekka Enberg
2011-07-25  7:55       ` Sasha Levin
     [not found]       ` <CAFO3S428qqUAu19QjPxDDAVv+eJSX0MEfYp5y03znNi6XbEtTg@mail.gmail.com>
2011-07-25  8:11         ` Ingo Molnar
2011-07-25  8:17           ` Pekka Enberg

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