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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>
Cc: "KVM devel mailing list" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Juan Quintela" <quintela@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	"Alexander Graf" <agraf@suse.de>,
	"Hervé Poussineau" <hpoussin@reactos.org>,
	"Gerd Hoffmann" <kraxel@redhat.com>,
	"Anthony Liguori" <anthony@codemonkey.ws>,
	qemu-ppc <qemu-ppc@nongnu.org>,
	"David Gibson" <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>,
	"Andreas Färber" <afaerber@suse.de>,
	"Alon Levy" <alevy@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: KVM call minutes 2013-01-29 - Port I/O
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 14:31:56 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130130123156.GA406@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFEAcA_R2SnZ0aOaxFyavSEaq=RDMgWj5V53dAtn+yFEUvEj_g@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 11:48:14AM +0000, Peter Maydell wrote:
> On 30 January 2013 11:39, Andreas Färber <afaerber@suse.de> wrote:
> > Proposal by hpoussin was to move _list_add() code to ISADevice:
> > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2013-01/msg00508.html
> >
> > Concerns:
> > * PCI devices (VGA, QXL) register I/O ports as well
> >   => above patches add dependency on ISABus to machines
> >      -> "<benh> no mac ever had one"
> >   => PCIDevice shouldn't use ISA API with NULL ISADevice
> > * Lack of avi: Who decides about memory API these days?
> >
> > armbru and agraf concluded that moving this into ISA is wrong.
> >
> > => I will drop the remaining ioport patches from above series.
> >
> > Suggestions on how to proceed with tackling the issue are welcome.
> 
> How does this stuff work on real hardware? I would have
> expected that a PCI device registering the fact it has
> IO ports would have to do so via the PCI controller it
> is plugged into...

All programming is done by the OS, devices do not register
with controller.

Each bridge has two ways to claim an IO transaction:
- transaction is within the window programmed in the bridge
- subtractive decoding enabled and no one else claims the transaction

At the bus level, transaction happens on a bus and an appropriate device
will claim it.

> My naive don't-know-much-about-portio suggestion is that this
> should work the same way as memory regions: each device
> provides portio regions, and the controller for the bus
> (ISA or PCI) exposes those to the next layer up, and
> something at board level maps it all into the right places.
> 
> -- PMM

  reply	other threads:[~2013-01-30 12:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-01-29 15:41 KVM call minutes 2013-01-29 Juan Quintela
2013-01-29 16:01 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-01-29 16:47   ` Anthony Liguori
2013-01-29 17:36     ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-01-29 20:53 ` Alexander Graf
2013-01-29 21:39   ` Anthony Liguori
2013-01-30  7:02     ` What to do about non-qdevified devices? (was: KVM call minutes 2013-01-29) Markus Armbruster
2013-01-30  8:39       ` What to do about non-qdevified devices? Andreas Färber
2013-01-30 10:36       ` What to do about non-qdevified devices? (was: KVM call minutes 2013-01-29) Peter Maydell
2013-01-30 12:35         ` What to do about non-qdevified devices? Markus Armbruster
2013-01-30 13:44           ` [Qemu-devel] " Andreas Färber
2013-01-30 16:58             ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-01-30 17:14               ` [Qemu-devel] " Andreas Färber
2013-01-31 18:48             ` Markus Armbruster
2013-01-30 14:37           ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2013-01-30 11:39 ` [Qemu-devel] KVM call minutes 2013-01-29 - Port I/O Andreas Färber
2013-01-30 11:48   ` Peter Maydell
2013-01-30 12:31     ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2013-01-30 13:24       ` Anthony Liguori
2013-01-30 14:11         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-01-30 12:32     ` Alexander Graf
2013-01-30 13:09     ` Markus Armbruster
2013-01-30 15:08       ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2013-01-30 17:55     ` Andreas Färber
2013-01-30 20:20       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-01-30 20:33         ` [Qemu-devel] " Andreas Färber
2013-01-30 20:55           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-01-30 13:59   ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2013-01-30 21:05     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-01-30 21:39       ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2013-01-30 21:54         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-01-30 22:20         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-01-30 22:32           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-01-30 22:49             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-01-30 23:02               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-01-30 23:28                 ` Alex Williamson
2013-01-31 10:49                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-01-31 16:34                     ` Alex Williamson
2013-01-31 21:11                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-01-31 21:21                         ` Alex Williamson
2013-01-31 22:20                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-01-31 21:44                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-01-31 22:37                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-01-31 23:25                         ` Alex Williamson
2013-01-31 21:22                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-01-31 22:28                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-01-30 15:45   ` [Qemu-devel] " Gerd Hoffmann
2013-01-30 16:33     ` Anthony Liguori
2013-01-30 16:54       ` Andreas Färber
2013-01-30 17:29         ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2013-01-30 20:08           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-01-30 20:19             ` Peter Maydell
2013-01-30 20:19           ` [Qemu-devel] " Andreas Färber
2013-01-30 21:07         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-01-30 21:42           ` [Qemu-devel] " Anthony Liguori
2013-01-30 17:08       ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-01-30 21:08         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt

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