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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: Abel Gordon <ABELG@il.ibm.com>
Cc: abel.gordon@gmail.com, Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>,
	digitaleric@google.com, Eran Raichstein <ERANRA@il.ibm.com>,
	Eyal Moscovici <EYALMO@il.ibm.com>,
	gleb@redhat.com, jasowang@redhat.com,
	Joel Nider <JOELN@il.ibm.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, pbonzini@redhat.com,
	Razya Ladelsky <RAZYA@il.ibm.com>,
	Yossi Kuperman1 <YOSSIKU@il.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: Elvis upstreaming plan
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 13:40:03 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131127114003.GG29702@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <OF9155D82E.1926E162-ONC2257C30.003CB265-C2257C30.003CF1A0@il.ibm.com>

On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 01:05:40PM +0200, Abel Gordon wrote:
> > > (CCing Eyal Moscovici who is actually prototyping with multiple
> > > policies and may want to join this thread)
> > >
> > > Starting with basic policies: we can use a single vhost thread
> > > and create new vhost threads if it becomes saturated and there
> > > are enough cpu cycles available in the system
> > > or if the latency (how long the requests in the virtio queues wait
> > > until they are handled) is too high.
> > > We can merge threads if the latency is already low or if the threads
> > > are not saturated.
> > >
> > > There is a hidden trade-off here: when you run more vhost threads you
> > > may actually be stealing cpu cycles from the vcpu threads and also
> > > increasing context switches. So, from the vhost perspective it may
> > > improve performance but from the vcpu threads perspective it may
> > > degrade performance.
> >
> > So this is a very interesting problem to solve but what does
> > management know that suggests it can solve it better?
> 
> Yep, and Eyal is currently working on this.
> What the management knows ? depends who the management is :)
> Could be just I/O activity (black-box: I/O request rate, I/O
> handling rate, latency)

We know much more about this than managament, don't we?

> or application performance (white-box).

This would have to come with a proposal for getting
this white-box info out of guest somehow.

-- 
MSR

  reply	other threads:[~2013-11-27 11:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-11-24  9:22 Elvis upstreaming plan Razya Ladelsky
2013-11-24 10:26 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-11-25 11:06   ` Razya Ladelsky
2013-11-26 15:50 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-11-26 18:05 ` Anthony Liguori
2013-11-26 18:53   ` Abel Gordon
2013-11-26 21:11     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-11-27  7:43       ` Joel Nider
2013-11-27 10:27         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-11-27 10:41           ` Abel Gordon
2013-11-27 10:59             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-11-27 11:02               ` Abel Gordon
2013-11-27 11:36                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-11-27 22:33             ` Anthony Liguori
2013-11-28  8:25               ` Abel Gordon
2013-11-27 15:00         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-11-27 15:30           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-11-28  7:24           ` Joel Nider
2013-11-28  7:31           ` Abel Gordon
2013-11-28 11:01             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-12-02 15:11             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-11-27  9:03       ` Abel Gordon
2013-11-27  9:21         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-11-27  9:49           ` Abel Gordon
2013-11-27 10:29             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-11-27 10:55               ` Abel Gordon
2013-11-27 11:03                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-11-27 11:05                   ` Abel Gordon
2013-11-27 11:40                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2013-11-26 22:27 ` Bandan Das
2013-11-27  2:49 ` Jason Wang
2013-11-27  7:35   ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-27  7:45     ` Joel Nider
2013-11-27  9:18     ` Abel Gordon
2013-11-27  9:21       ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-27  9:33         ` Abel Gordon
2013-11-27  9:48           ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-27 10:18   ` Abel Gordon
2013-11-27 10:37     ` Michael S. Tsirkin

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