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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: "Gabriel L. Somlo" <gsomlo@gmail.com>
Cc: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, afaerber@suse.de, agraf@suse.de
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] kvm: x86: emulate monitor and mwait instructions as nop
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 13:16:43 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140610101643.GK7423@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140603142157.GD1653@ERROL.INI.CMU.EDU>

On Tue, Jun 03, 2014 at 10:21:58AM -0400, Gabriel L. Somlo wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 03, 2014 at 11:17:48AM +0200, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> > 
> > I think it's fine as it is now. :)
> 
> On Mon, Jun 02, 2014 at 09:55:18PM -0400, Gabriel L. Somlo wrote:
> > 
> > W.r.t. monitor/mwait, a guest can do one of the following:
> > 
> > 1. Never check CPUID, and never use monitor/mwait
> > 	- This is great, we don't have to do anything about these
> > 
> > 2. Check CPUID for mwait, use it to idle in preference over hlt
> > 	- Linux, Windows, and Mavericks (10.9) do this
> > 	- we never want to have CPUID say "yes" to these, since
> > 	  monitor/mwait support will be clunky in the best case,
> > 	  and hlt is overwhelmingly preferable! [*]
> > 
> > 3. Never check CPUID, use monitor/mwait with abandon
> > 	- OS X 10.6 .. 10.8 does this
> > 	- emulating monitor/mwait here allows us to boot the guest
> > 	  and use it, and perform sysadmin surgery to force a hlt
> > 	  based idle
> > 
> > 4. Check CPUID, panic if unavailable
> > 	- OS X 10.5 did this, IIRC.
> > 	- whether I can do kext surgery and get it to stop checking
> > 	  CPUID *in addition to* falling back to hlt-based idle is
> > 	  TBD.
> > 	- emulating monitor/mwait allows us to boot this type of
> > 	  guest, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO ADVERTISE IT VIA CPUID !!!
> 
> As it is right now, #4 is not being addressed (and we can't just
> advertise mwait via cpuid, or we'd be screwing up #2).

Yes, I didn't understand 10.5 did #4.

> I also feel a bit weird about the "undocumented feature" aspect
> of NOT generating an invalid opcode for something that *should*
> be an invalid opcode according to the feature set advertised via
> cpuid...
> 
> So if there's a way to make it so we can tell QEMU/KVM to
> "--enable-mwait" on a per-guest basis, I think that'd be better
> than an always-on "undocumented" behavior...
> 
> But then again, I'm most likely missing something about the big
> picture... :)
> 
> Thanks much,
> --Gabriel

  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-06-10 10:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-05-07 20:52 [PATCH v2] kvm: x86: emulate monitor and mwait instructions as nop Gabriel L. Somlo
2014-06-02 19:25 ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2014-06-02 19:48   ` Alexander Graf
2014-06-02 20:20     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-06-02 20:35       ` Alexander Graf
2014-06-02 20:41         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-06-02 21:01           ` Alexander Graf
2014-06-03  1:55             ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2014-06-02 20:24   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-06-03  9:17   ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-06-03 14:21     ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2014-06-03 15:37       ` Alexander Graf
2014-06-03 19:07         ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2014-06-10 10:16       ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2014-06-04 14:39     ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2014-06-04 14:44       ` Alexander Graf
2014-06-04 15:05         ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2014-06-04 15:09           ` Alexander Graf
2014-06-04 17:07             ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2014-06-04 19:06               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-06-04 19:24                 ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2014-06-04 19:37                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-06-04 16:34         ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-06-04 19:08           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-06-04 19:33             ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2014-06-04 19:40               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-06-04 19:12           ` Nadav Amit
2014-06-04 19:43             ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2014-06-04 20:44           ` Borislav Petkov
2014-06-05 14:40             ` Eduardo Habkost
2014-06-05 20:59 ` Eric Northup
2014-06-05 21:19   ` Gabriel L. Somlo
     [not found] <46EF8587-E226-44C5-930A-49E4F7FBBC82@gmail.com>
2014-06-04 20:01 ` Nadav Amit
2014-06-04 20:11   ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2014-06-04 20:55     ` Nadav Amit

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