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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
To: "Lan, Tianyu" <tianyu.lan@intel.com>
Cc: aik@ozlabs.ru, alex.williamson@redhat.com, amit.shah@redhat.com,
	anthony@codemonkey.ws, ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org,
	blauwirbel@gmail.com, cornelia.huck@de.ibm.com,
	eddie.dong@intel.com, nrupal.jani@intel.com, agraf@suse.de,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, pbonzini@redhat.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	emil.s.tantilov@intel.com, gerlitz.or@gmail.com,
	donald.c.skidmore@intel.com, mark.d.rustad@intel.com,
	kraxel@redhat.com, lcapitulino@redhat.com, quintela@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH V2 00/10] Qemu: Add live migration support for SRIOV NIC
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 16:31:14 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151202161042-mutt-send-email-mst@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <565EFB59.1000005@intel.com>

On Wed, Dec 02, 2015 at 10:08:25PM +0800, Lan, Tianyu wrote:
> On 12/1/2015 11:02 PM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> >>But
> >>it requires guest OS to do specific configurations inside and rely on
> >>bonding driver which blocks it work on Windows.
> >> From performance side,
> >>putting VF and virtio NIC under bonded interface will affect their
> >>performance even when not do migration. These factors block to use VF
> >>NIC passthough in some user cases(Especially in the cloud) which require
> >>migration.
> >
> >That's really up to guest. You don't need to do bonding,
> >you can just move the IP and mac from userspace, that's
> >possible on most OS-es.
> >
> >Or write something in guest kernel that is more lightweight if you are
> >so inclined. What we are discussing here is the host-guest interface,
> >not the in-guest interface.
> >
> >>Current solution we proposed changes NIC driver and Qemu. Guest Os
> >>doesn't need to do special thing for migration.
> >>It's easy to deploy
> >
> >
> >Except of course these patches don't even work properly yet.
> >
> >And when they do, even minor changes in host side NIC hardware across
> >migration will break guests in hard to predict ways.
> 
> Switching between PV and VF NIC will introduce network stop and the
> latency of hotplug VF is measurable.
> For some user cases(cloud service
> and OPNFV) which are sensitive to network stabilization and performance,
> these are not friend and blocks SRIOV NIC usage in these case.

I find this hard to credit. hotplug is not normally a data path
operation.

> We hope
> to find a better way to make SRIOV NIC work in these cases and this is
> worth to do since SRIOV NIC provides better network performance compared
> with PV NIC.

If this is a performance optimization as the above implies,
you need to include some numbers, and document how did
you implement the switch and how did you measure the performance.

> Current patches have some issues. I think we can find
> solution for them andimprove them step by step.

-- 
MST

  reply	other threads:[~2015-12-02 14:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-11-24 13:35 [RFC PATCH V2 00/10] Qemu: Add live migration support for SRIOV NIC Lan Tianyu
2015-11-24 13:35 ` [RFC PATCH V2 01/10] Qemu/VFIO: Create head file pci.h to share data struct Lan Tianyu
2015-11-24 13:35 ` [RFC PATCH V2 02/10] Qemu/VFIO: Add new VFIO_GET_PCI_CAP_INFO ioctl cmd definition Lan Tianyu
2015-12-02 22:25   ` Alex Williamson
2015-12-03  8:40     ` Lan, Tianyu
2015-12-03 15:26       ` Alex Williamson
2015-11-24 13:35 ` [RFC PATCH V2 03/10] Qemu/VFIO: Rework vfio_std_cap_max_size() function Lan Tianyu
2015-11-24 13:35 ` [RFC PATCH V2 04/10] Qemu/VFIO: Add vfio_find_free_cfg_reg() to find free PCI config space regs Lan Tianyu
2015-11-24 13:35 ` [RFC PATCH V2 05/10] Qemu/VFIO: Expose PCI config space read/write and msix functions Lan Tianyu
2015-11-24 13:35 ` [RFC PATCH V2 06/10] Qemu/PCI: Add macros for faked PCI migration capability Lan Tianyu
2015-12-02 22:25   ` Alex Williamson
2015-12-03  8:57     ` Lan, Tianyu
2015-11-24 13:35 ` [RFC PATCH V2 07/10] Qemu: Add post_load_state() to run after restoring CPU state Lan Tianyu
2015-11-24 13:35 ` [RFC PATCH V2 08/10] Qemu: Add save_before_stop callback to run just before stopping VCPU during migration Lan Tianyu
2015-11-24 13:35 ` [RFC PATCH V2 09/10] Qemu/VFIO: Add SRIOV VF migration support Lan Tianyu
2015-11-24 21:03   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-11-25 15:32     ` Lan, Tianyu
2015-11-25 15:44       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-12-02 22:25   ` Alex Williamson
2015-12-03  8:56     ` Lan, Tianyu
2015-11-24 13:35 ` [RFC PATCH V2 10/10] Qemu/VFIO: Misc change for enable migration with VFIO Lan Tianyu
2015-11-30  8:01 ` [RFC PATCH V2 00/10] Qemu: Add live migration support for SRIOV NIC Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-12-01  6:26   ` Lan, Tianyu
2015-12-01 15:02     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-12-02 14:08       ` Lan, Tianyu
2015-12-02 14:31         ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2015-12-03 14:53           ` Lan, Tianyu
2015-12-04  6:42           ` Lan, Tianyu
2015-12-04  8:05             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-12-04 12:11               ` Lan, Tianyu
2015-12-03 18:32         ` Alexander Duyck
2015-12-07 16:50 ` live migration vs device assignment (was Re: [RFC PATCH V2 00/10] Qemu: Add live migration support for SRIOV NIC) Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-12-09 16:26   ` live migration vs device assignment (motivation) Lan, Tianyu
2015-12-09 17:14     ` Alexander Duyck
2015-12-10  3:15       ` Lan, Tianyu
2015-12-09 20:07     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-12-10  3:04       ` Lan, Tianyu
2015-12-10  8:38         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-12-10 14:23           ` Lan, Tianyu
2015-12-10 10:18     ` [Qemu-devel] " Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2015-12-10 11:28       ` Yang Zhang
2015-12-10 11:41         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2015-12-10 13:07           ` Yang Zhang
2015-12-10 14:38           ` Lan, Tianyu
2015-12-10 16:11             ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-12-10 19:17               ` Alexander Duyck
2015-12-11  7:32               ` Lan, Tianyu
2015-12-14  9:12                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-12-10 16:23             ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2015-12-10 17:16             ` Alexander Duyck
2015-12-13 15:47               ` Lan, Tianyu
2015-12-13 19:30                 ` Alexander Duyck
2015-12-25  7:03                   ` Lan Tianyu
2015-12-25 12:11                     ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-12-28 17:42                       ` Lan, Tianyu
2015-12-29 16:46                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-12-29 17:04                           ` Alexander Duyck
2015-12-29 17:15                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-12-29 18:04                               ` [Qemu-devel] " Alexander Duyck
2016-01-04  2:15                           ` Lan Tianyu
2015-12-25 22:31                     ` Alexander Duyck
2015-12-27  9:21                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-12-27 21:45                         ` [Qemu-devel] " Alexander Duyck
2015-12-28  8:51                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-12-28  3:20                       ` Dong, Eddie
2015-12-28  4:26                         ` Alexander Duyck
2015-12-28 11:50                         ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-12-14  9:26                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-12-28  8:52                   ` Pavel Fedin
2015-12-28 11:51                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-03-17  9:15 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH V2 00/10] Qemu: Add live migration support for SRIOV NIC Wei Yang

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